Saints deserve to have their Super Bowl vacated and Brees records asterisked.

TacticalEA posted...
masterchefbkw posted...
FinzFan4life posted...
You know it wasn't a run-on but anyway I don't think that they did anything wrong there is nothing criminal about it except maybe not claiming on taxes. it is a Violent game plain and simple if the tackles where not illegal then there should be no punishment.

There's no maybe about not claiming taxes, it's 100% illegal. If you or I, or anyone else here for that matter, were to do the same we'd be serving time, yet these players are going to get away with it with just a suspension and act like they're getting punished. It's no different from the Vick/Stallworth cases. If I hit a guy while driving drunk and killed him they'd sweep me under the prison never to be seen again, not give me 30 days.

As far as tackles go, clean hits certainly aren't illegal, but when you have Greg Williams on audio telling his players where to hit the other players and they're doing it after the whistle, that's where it gets serious. I'm saying it's illegal based on the law information I've provided, but they're pro-players and won't be punished. If you watch the games where they had bounties on people you can clearly see where they went for cheap shots after the whistle. Two instances I know without a doubt are Favre and Newton. Favre took an absolute beating in the title game and almost all of the worst hits were well after the whistle. Newton played them twice and had 4 way obvious late hits that were all penalized.

If you are referring to the wikipedia link then you have not provided anything. The report of Vilma offering 10,000 dollars was second hand. There is not one shred of evidence to say that he even did this. If I say I think I may have heard that a person committed murder then that doesn't mean they actually did it. As for the NFC title game people need to stop talking about these being cheap shots and face facts that maybe Favre getting roughed up had more to do with him being 40 years old getting legally hit by a 27 year old man in the prime of his career.

The Wikipedia link I provided is stating the laws I was discussing, if you're one of those morons who disbelieves anything from Wikipedia and is still living in 2001, feel free to google it yourself.

So, I don't get you at all, are you a delusional Saints fan or just refusing to acknowledge something illegal happening in the NFL? Second hand reports and witness testimonies are what you get (and they could be more than enough evidence), you're not going to find receipts from Vilma to the other players, Einstein. Spoiler alert, people get convicted of tax evasions just like these all the time.

The part that makes me question your being a fan is the Favre comments. Did you even watch the game? There were late hits galore. I don't care what age the QB is, if he's taking low shots and late hits like that he's going to be hurting. Sure, he took some good legal hits that game as well, but he took more illegal hits than I've ever seen in one game. This is coming from a guy who hated Favre when he played.

FinzFan4life posted...

masterchefbkw posted...

grudensjockstra posted...

i could agree with this OP's original post. but would prefer it only if the Pats get an asterisk next to all of their superbowls wins, and brady's records.

Why? All of Brady's important records were after Spygate (Spygate happened in the beginning of the 07 season).

but without those superbowl wins which where gotten from cheating they wouldn't of been able to lure big name players to play for them and wouldn't of gotten the records.

That still makes absolutely no sense. What "big-named players" did they get? Randy Moss was a sunken ship that they got for a 4th rounder and Welker was a nobody. Jabarr Gaffney is a nobody. I don't see any reason to believe that they cheated in any of their SBs. Considering they've made it back to the playoffs every season except for when Brady was injured (they barely missed), I think it's reasonably to assume they had the talent otherwise.

TacticalEA posted...

What evidence do you have huh? The NFL refuses to release any of the Saints bounty info in regards to Vilma. It is all just hear say. You must be one of those delusional people that believe if you just say something about someone then they must have done it. That is what is going on hear. You don't know anything and due to a lack of any evidence a criminal act has not even taken place. Deal with it.

Look, I'm sorry if you're too stupid to understand the several obvious laws he's broken that I've listed. I guess you can just sit delusional thinking of Vilma as some Jesus incarnation until Goodell releases the information. Players don't get suspensions for no reason, especially not season long suspensions.