Too late Crytek. Not buying another of your games. I don't buy used games but it'll be a cold day in hell before I screw those over that do.
'EFF YOU.
Crysis dev backtracks on blocking used games comment
Crytek director of creative development suggests he wasn't serious when saying that consoles prohibiting secondhand games would be awesome.
A Crytek developer courted fan outrage last week by saying that next-gen consoles that wouldn't play used games would be "absolutely awesome" from a business perspective. He has since changed his tune, as CVG today reports that the Crysis developer's director of creative development Rasmus Hojengaard is backtracking from those remarks.
"My comment made in the interview released on the 24th of April, touching upon 'blocking sales of used games,' was not intended to be taken seriously nor representative of the opinion of Crytek," Hojengaard told the site.
Rumors have been swirling concerning Microsoft and Sony implementing anti-used-game measures in their respective future-generation consoles. Specifics are not available, and news of next-generation consoles from the two companies is not expected this year.
The used-game market has been a contentious issue, with several noted developers making clear their stance against secondhand sales. Those who spoke out against used sales recently include ex-THQ executive Richard Browne, Elite creator David Braben, Volition design director Jameson Durall, and Silicon Knights founder Denis Dyack.
Not all voices are against used games. Saber Interactive CEO Matthew Karch said in February that blocking used games is unfair. Also during that month, Witcher developer CD Projekt Red's managing director, Adam Badowski, took a populist gamer stance, saying systems that block used games "can be a bad thing."
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Too late Crytek. Not buying another of your games. I don't buy used games but it'll be a cold day in hell before I screw those over that do.
'EFF YOU.
It's bad enough that Microsoft changed the XBox 360 so it no longer has backward compatibility. That means I have 3 games that I can use as coasters unless I want to buy an original XBox somewhere.
The day I'll can not buy used games anymore will be the day i stop totally to play videogames. In average I buy 10-15 used games for year and 3-4 new. I'm aware that companies get nothing from my purchases in the used world. BUT... i also take often dlc for my used games, so the companies get however some money and i'm glad to support them it this way. The moment they'll cut used games they'll lose totally me and much likely even a large share of public.
Saying that used games sales hurts the industry is like saying that used car sales hurt the auto industry. I can think of plenty of great games I have for older consoles that I wouldn't ever consider selling just because the game is to this day, still awesome.
5 Like i'm saying it now, if consoles block used games then i guess i'll be sticking with hand held games from now on. i'm not gonna encourage greedy companies that care nothing about gamers. if we do encourage them then eventually we'll be seeing bad quality games for high prices
@mav_destroyer actually... its players not caring about the companies or themselves really. Buy a new game the developer get $27. Buy a used game they get $0. Developers lose millions upon millions of dollars to used game sales and that means they have to make smaller and less entertaining games and publishers are going to green light games that they are certain will make money (A.K.A. Call of Duty clones. I'm sure you complain about those a lot, too). Next time you go to Gamespot just spend $5 extra on a new copy. I don't think blocking used game sales is the answer, I think its a bad idea. But that doesn't change the fact that used game sales are crippling the games industry.
3 Like @vault-boy @mav_destroyer /roll eyes...someone has to buy the game first before it gets to be used.
used games do not hurt the game industry,didn't hurt them in the 80',90's or now
1 Like Totally agree - someones bought 'it' [game] the 1st time around. Surely if it was a 100% worthy purchase @RRP (and featured lots of replayability) then i'm sure it [game] would never have got traded in in 1st place
3 Like @vault-boy One could make the same argument for any used commodity market. Buy a used stereo system, and Sony gets $0. Buy a 2nd hand book, and Penguin doesn't get a taste. But not everyone can afford to buy new products (especially games, where the price difference on newly released games can be as much as $30-50 when bought 2nd hand), and why should they have to? I honestly don't care whether John Grisham gets a dollar every time I buy a book. There's nothing wrong with second hand goods, and a society that restricts the change of ownership of goods, be they physical or intellectual property, devalues the goods themselves and promotes a lack of consistent sustainability. And if the game industry isn't making enough money, it has more to do with the fact that it isn't sustainable due to the insane amount of work and man power that goes into making games, less than the 2nd hand game market.
1 Like @vault-boy I understand your point of view really, but i'm sure there are much more effective ways for the devs to take advantage of the used games market without screwing retailers and gamers. For example I liked Homefront's approach of charging a small fee to unlock multiplayer if your game is used.
I for one am an impulse shopper, i just walk into a store and buy a random game, sometimes i pick a good game and sometimes i don't, i wouldn't like paying full price for a bad game that i'll be stuck with forever. When I DO find a good game I go back and buy a new copy of it.
My point is blocking used games completely is the easy solution for these devs, but they're hurting gamers and retailers because they'd rather not compromise a bit or look for a solution that will please all sides.
i'm convinced everyone who took issue with what he said is an idiot. how you people don't understand why he feels this way is unfathomable to me. do you think piracy should be legal too?!
6 Like @netskot comparing piracy to used games is unfathomable. do you even understand whats going on here?
@mav_destroyer downloading a game online from someone who uploaded his store bought copy is akin to buying said game from the uploader. the only difference is the lack of monetary exhcange between 2 parties. does you giving the original puchaser money really make it any better?
1 Like @netskot Yes it does, it could go like this:
I sell my used copy to the gamestore
I buy a new game (used or not) with the money i got
Gamestore sells the used copies to make profit to be able to stock more games in the future
Regardless of who's buying the used copy, the chances are that the seller will put the money into a new game. Even when buying used games if the game is good then the chances are you will preorder the sequel or follow any new games by that publisher/developer. It's still profitable to them on the long run.
comparing used games to piracy is like saying that selling my old car is a crime because the manufacturer doesn't get anything out of it. Used goods exist everywhere, but its only wrong and piracy when it comes to games?
2 Like Awww, dude got no love from his company. Funny, cause I wouldn't be suprised if the company totally aggreed with what he said, but they were just smart enough not to say it outloud.
3 Like That guy has a big mouth. He also said they won't be developing for the wii u. That's fine, but it's the way it was worded that pissed me off. Came off as an arrogant prick.
4 Like If you don't mean it then don't say it in an interview. The PR department obviously told this guy to recant his statement.
It's unfortunately true from a business perspective, however unpopular that view may be. It takes money from the retailers and gives it to developers and publishers in theory.
My respect for Crytek dissolved a long time ago. Their comments last week, and then retraction this week, just reinforces my opinion. Any company knows that saying something in jest within earshot of shareholders is an idiotic thing to do (see: Ratners).
If he were my employee and he made a stupid quip like that, he's be in front of a disciplinary committee that day.
2 Like Not so awesome now after the backlash is it? lame too late for back pedalling...what happen to all the previous comments??
Regarding the comments - I think this new comment system probably isn't compatible with the old comments system. Either that, or someone pushed the wrong button. ;)
If you noticed, Blockbuster has movies that now say 'rental copy', with trimmed content. (No deleted scenes or interviews or alternate endings.)
They'd probably do the same thing with games.
That said, 'no used games' would still have the potential to do as much harm to the gaming industry as E.T. did.
4 Like ANY system that would do this would guarantee my not buying it. No rentals? Wouldn't even consider buying a system that would do that.
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Yes, it's damage limitation. His boss obviously didn't like the idea of Crytek losing sales over this furore, so now we get the 'joke' excuse.
But I think the damage is already done, and he's fooling no one.
4 Like Now have even less respect for this guy. Backtracking makes you look like a total idiot, take a stand and stick with it.
once they have librarys of image files etc, making games will become easier and easier, it will be the fantasy type games with a unique style that will be interesting.
1 Like That picture fits so nicely with the situation :D. What an idiotic comment he made...someone needs to take a course in PR.
@thewastedyouth That's an interesting idea, but unfortunately, saving the developers money likely won't save us any money. They say games are this high due to costs, but it's the same as it was in the SNES/Genesis area. Are they trying to tell me that Chrono Trigger and Skyrim cost similarly in development? Even when costs come down from removing physical media and such from the equation, I doubt they'll be passing on the savings to us. I've been buying used games almost as long as I've been gaming. The main difference now is that there is Gamestop, who specializes in it. However, I do it to save money, so buying games directly from other games accomplishes that, and denies Gamestop my business. Blocking used games is a delusion. If hackers can find ways to make consoles play other software and backups, they could feasibly find a way around "always-connected" DRM and such. And like always, the only ones the DRM will end up stopping are legit gamers.
1 game dev smartens up, dozens to go! Improved replay value is the way to combat used sales.
1 Like I still can't understand the disrespectful attitude of those who call games Software. Really? Microsoft Office, Photoshop, and Grand Theft Auto are all the same thing?
3 Like @WCK619and what would you call games? Cause I've always thought that anything that runs on hardware (PC, console) and can be removed or deleted (discs, DLC) was software. How is that disrespect?
3 Like How about developers make games with real replay value then maybe people wont sell a game after playing it for a few days? I remember back in the day I could immerse myself in a game for months if not years.
Get over yourselves, greedy f__ks. Your high full price include the resell value. With the resell option closed, you do not deserve that full price. It's how the free market operates, as seen in real estate and motor vehicles. That's why I switched my axis from PC to consoles. When Steam appeared, it closed the door of selling my game to somebody else. A PC game just could not justify its full price compared with its console version which could be sold. If this dreadful corporate greed expands to console, I would not fall for the trap. I might just put my patience to test for the price to drop, or retaliate by doing BitTorret download on the PC from that moment onwards.
So if Mr. Hojengaard tries to swim with the stream now, why does he immediately come up with another stupid idea ? Sure, Origin and EA alone make me not buy this game, but I may just voice my opinion on this. More DRM and even more annoying protection schemes can't be in the interest of customers which then have all the trouble to get the game to work while the cracked versions work the way they are meant to. Simply create a quality game with replay value, don't include any copy protection schemes, release it not only as an Origin exclusive and make it playable offline and people will happily buy your game (for a reasonable price).
1 Like LOL, I gues their alittle worried that the backlash from their comment might hinder their game sales......hmm...imagine that. Too, bad sony doesn't listen to the gamers.
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