Epic VP would be 'shocked' if Wii U doesn't perform

iiii.. could understand a $300 WiiU. i wouldnt be ~too~ happy with it, but i would understand.

I have been listening to Michael Pachter for years and he is usualy 99.9 percent wrong. In fact if you want to know the truth usualy take what he says and bet on the complete opposite. I remember years ago when he said nintendo HD will be at E3. He was wrong.

Remember when he said he knew that Kinect would have so many great games  and that he knew of almost every developer working on games for it. Wrong

He said before kinect launch that it would retail for 50 dollars. Wrong

Could go on and on

 How about when he said that Boarderlands would be a complete fail.

The guy is a joke and I honestly do not know how he keeps his job.

@dreamfist11 The fact you won't answer a simple question, if you knew what you were talking about, tells me more than I need to know. Also, a steady flow isn't necessarily the best thing all the time. Sometimes, it's a good thing to get your product out and have it sell out cause the more it sells the more free advertising you get out of it. i.e more and more people tell their friends about the Wii. Then, you see a HUGE slow down on the console due to the huge surge, but that surge allowed them to get started on the Wii U, produce a powerful machine, I hope, and do it in a decent amount of time. The reason they put out the 3DS is because if you look at the releases of the DS lineups, you'll notice a pattern.

@dreamfist11 : While I also agree on what you said with the wii (though there were a couple excellent 3rd party titles),I would tend to disagree about the wii-u.When you look at the last generation you saw a pretty big push towards the next gen graphics-wise.But this generation there are only a couple games that REALLY REALLY push the systems to their limits.Now assuming that xbox720 and ps4 do have significantly better graphics (which we don't know at all) there will only be a couple extreme-case games that will be more powerful than wii-u can handle..sure it might not be able to handle Crysis 3,or Elderscrolls VI ..but the majority of games should easily be able to function on it.It is also a BIG assumption that 720 and ps4 will be more powerful,this past generation is the first gen that Nintendo's console has REALLY been behind in graphics,in fact,they are usually leading the pack in graphics.If anything rumors have told us it is that neither ms/sony are planning on having REALLY better graphics this time around,and the rumors that deny that state that wii-u is only 17% less powerful than 720 (not much of a difference at all).What I'm saying is...we don't even know what the specs are for wii-u..much less 720/ps4 (which technically haven't even been announced yet) and the few rumors there are are positive for wii-u..

@moviequest14 Basically my main point that i'm trying to make is that I think a big reason why the wii didn't have a lot of third party support is because it was really far behind the other two consoles, so much so that it couldn't receive proper ports of big name games like assassins creed or resident evil 5 or battlefield etc. I think those are some of the problems that the wii u will face, its in a weird position because it won't be truly next gen yet its not exactly current gen either. And what i think might end up happening is that when the xbox 3 or ps4 come out, the 3rd party support will again be poor because the 3rd party devs will have to choose between wii u or ps4 and xbox 3 and they will most likely choose the latter. Basically, I think the wii u will be like the wii again but without the big success that the wii saw early on, as in when the true next gen systems hit, they won't be able to get any of the big titles.

@dreamfist11 : I wouldn't disagree that Nintendo should've prepared a bit better pacing for this transition of systems but I would still consider this current/past gen a pretty damn successful one for Nintendo as unless 360 and ps3 make a MASSIVE leap in sales within a fairly short amount of time,Nintendo will close the generation with the most successful system.It is possible MS/Sony/both might end up outselling wii,but more than likely it will be after Nintendo has already launched into wii-u.I don't think 3ds is comparable to wii for it's problems..it was more of a timing problem when it came to the release of games...if you look back a couple months,there are only a handful of 'major' titles announced that hadn't been announced at launch,Mgs,Resident Evil,most 1st party offerings,KH dream drop,etc. all were announced or rumored at launch but the problem came that Nintendo expected the 3ds to sell with 'meh' titles at launch and then pick up even more one the major titles came out. No offense meant by this,but I don't see how that relates to wii-problems at all.

@moviequest14 thats another way to put it, which is bad for ninty, a more constant flow of sales is preferable to a big sale and then nothing more, thats why ninty put so much focus on the 3ds and thats why they are rushing to get out another console

@dreamfist11: '' its also the console that is basically not selling at all now so I don't see your point...'' Yes and the fact it has already sold 95+million units has no impact on current sales right?

@MrLockthorne You may not and good day to YOU

@dreamfist11 Can I ask you a question? Do you work for Nintendo? Because you seem like you have some insider information on the technical specifications on the Wii U that I am not privy to. Another question, can you tell me which of these is more important: The CPU, GPU, RAM, or the HDD? Tell me which is the least important. Do they work independently, do they work in unison. If so, which ones? Understand how these things work. Hell, Wikipedia, and God knows I bloody hate saying it, is a pretty good resource on this. Is it the best, no, but maybe, JUST MAYBE you can get educated on how consoles and electronics work. Thank you and good day, sir. I SAID GOOD DAY!!!!!

Lets look at the facts from what I have read (although not confirmed) it will be more powerful than a xbox 360 and a PS3. It also has 1080p HD. Did i fail to mention you sure as hell cant play all the great 1st party games that nintendo has on an Xbox or a PS3 which has very few exclusive games. So you can resort to dogging me and this console all you want but its plain and simple its worth the money @ $300. People buy consoles all the time because of one game they really want and cant get on any other system nintendo has a lot of those titles Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Kirby, Kid Icuras... and the list goes on.

Your an imbecile, so according to you were cheap if we don't wanna pay $300+ for something that is barely any better than what is currently out there, a new xbox is $200 a new ps3 is $249. It's not being cheap its having common sense, and I don't "only play my brand" I've had a snes a ps2 and a 360.

@dreamfist11 cheap asses yeah I said it if you cant afford to pay $300+ for a new video game system and think thats a rip off you need to quit playing video games period because it only gets more exspensive every single console launch. Pick another hobby... The Wii U is not going to be reveloutionary in the grand scheme of course not but to ppl who are Nintendo loyalists and only play their brand this is a giant leap for them its going to be 2 to 3 times more powerful than the Wii was. I am not comparing the Wii U to the 360 or the PS3 I am comparing it to the current Wii console So I honestly think for someone that is a Nintendo loyalist $300 - $400 isnt asking to much. The new MS and PS consoles will be $500 - $600 I can just about bet (hell the PS3 was $600 at release). I am not a Nintendo fan boy. I own all three and enjoy everyone of them for diffrenet reasons but you must look at this from a different angle then "oh its old outdated tech"...

I just want Zelda HD -_-

@Alianjaro I know my opinion doesn't mean much, but I agree with you. The Wii was a business move made by Nintendo because they can't release the kind of expensive risky moves that MS and Sony did and lose money. And the Wii IS in most homes. FACT. Which gives Nintendo the capability to create the Wii U to the utmost capacity. Have a good day, mate.

@im2cool123 Hey, 1080i is pretty HD. I mean everytime I see that interlaced image I go OMGWTFBBQ THIS IS AWESOME. Seriously though, you nailed it on the head.

i love how everyone thinks that a 1080p console with games being developed at 60fps is the same as the ps3 and 360 with a max of 30fps and wait for it.................a max of 720P!!! and that is very very rare indeed. games on the 360 and ps3 almost never get to actual HD. look up the specs of you own damn consoles before bashing and saying it is the same. if you put it in simple terms some people think that a 1080p console being the wii u is the same as a mostly 640p console being the 360 and ps3 with a pitiful max of 30fps i must say again

@dreamfist11 : Sorry let me clarify what I just said cuz it's not really neat. I just meant that it has sold so much to the targeted population (a lot to the casuals, who are the few that are still buying). Since the 3rd party support was bad for the Wii, the only way to attract core gamers is to develop first party games such as Zelda and new ones. Since they're not developing any for North America, cores arent buying. The other two big ones don't have this problem, since they dont have the 1st 2nd and 3rd party thing. And again sorry for not making my point clear

@Alianjaro Thats silly if you seriously think everyone has one now and thats why their not selling, if that was the case tv's and computers wouldn't sell anymore, but thats not the case

Not too sure why he'd be shocked at all. I love my Wii and have no interest at all in Wii U. I'd be shocked if if actually does perform.

@MrLockthorne : Absolutely right. @dreamfist11 : Well that's because every family that wanted one and that had the money to buy it already bought it. You know, we're a limited number of humans on Earth, so is the gaming maket.

People saying that the Wii U is only as powerful as current generation technology. Take a freaking Electronics or hell maybe a Basic Digital Logic class to understand CPU's and GPU's. THEN, come talk to me about the tech specs of the system. By the way, has anyone heard the processing speed on the custom IBM processor the Wii U has? The GPU capabilities of the custom AMD Radeon? How much RAM will it have? No? OH, ok then we can't make any assumptions on how powerful or weak it will be. Although, the CPU is rumored to be similar in what's used in Watson. So, that's pretty powerful. Anywho, stop preaching like you are some end all electronics expert, kids.

@Alianjaro its also the console that is basically not selling at all now so I don't see your point...

@Brother_Boney : http://www.vgchartz.com/analysis/platform_totals/ Yeah... The WII is the console that has sold the most. Ppl Get your things clear. Crazy how people repeat what those self-called analysts such as Pachter say. The next gen PS and XBox are still rumors and some already claim these will be better than the Wii U. Well who says? I know all the arguments and everything... These are posibilities but not facts. So ppl stop pretending you know future and let the time come. Think this is fanboyism? No. I'm a gaming lover, as I own all three brands. Think PS and Xbox are for hardcores? Don't think so. Depends on what you call hardcore. My personnal best is Wii cuz (dunno what for you) I still feel that I'm gaming when on Wii and not playing itakeyourmoneygames, but thats an opinion.

@vambran Excellent point, it will basically be obsolete as soon as it comes out

@davsonamission Were cheapasses? Your dumb, maybe that would be a fair point if nintendo was bringing a console with groundbreaking technology out but thats not the case, they are going to bring out a console with 6 year old technology, basically the same as a ps3 or 360 so yeah they could definately price it below $300 but seeing as to how they priced the 3ds at $250 thats not likely to happen

this system better have more good games than WII had, Wii is already dead and this system is not even in the stores, not 1 decent game is in development anymore for Wii

@paxv1 : Yes it costs them $103.25 to MAKE one but you aren't including shipping,assembling fees (paying for the workers who assemble it),and that 3ds's are actually sold to stores for a loss,since the stores make a considerable profit off of it.If that $103.25 was included for every factor or making the 3ds and was sold directly to us Nintendo would be making a profit.But that's not the case.

"but Rein said Epic has no plans to develop a new game for the system." That pretty much sums it up. Remakes that we've already seen on this gen consoles will appear but no new games. The Wii U will suffer from PS3-syndrome like the Wii suffered from PS2-syndrome. Serious game studios are moving on to next gen Xbox and next gen PS. That is just business and no amount of fanboyism is ever going to change that unless it generates cash flow, which it never does. I love Nintendo but I am not holding my breath for new WiiU-titles from 3rd parties. Three console generations have been like this. Wii was supposed to change that with big sales numbers... guess what? It only made it worse than GameCube and N64 combined :D. Big sail ships turn slowly. @Vodoo "That's how much he likes it." He may like the console but he won't like doing business with the console. " Game developers already learned their lesson with the Wii; how noone besides Nintendo can make any money selling games on a Nintendo machine." if you create and market your games for other consoles, then -surprisingly - you won't make any money on Nintendo -platforms. Duh!

Well, I for one expect Mario to look like this for the next gen. NO EXCEPTIONS! http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/002/321/real_mario_01.jpg

@moviequest14. Nintendo is not selling the 3ds at a lost it cost them 103.25 for one.

@Vambran : Wow,how are you getting this insider information? Because the exact specs for wii-u haven't been released and the 720 and ps4 haven't even officially been announced....and the few rumors there are about those suggest that wii-u is only like...7% (estimate) less powerful than 720. You are judging it on this generation? This gen is the exception as every other modern generation Nintendo's system has been close to or the most powerful of the generation and certainly not last.And if anything we've heard of rumors it is that neither system will have exceptionally better graphics..so even if they are slightly better you probably won't be able to tell the difference and certainly not enough to lose 3rd party support.

As long as Nintendo brings their games and sell it at a good price, $249.00 dollars it will sell well, --- DK, Mario, Lugi, Pilkin, Zelda Kid Ic, Pilotwings, Yoshi, and plenty more. ADD to that new IP I hope they have been working on over the past 2 years, and it will sell

I'm predicting it's not going to launch with any big first party games. I'm also going to predict that the price point is going to be a killer for the system. They're going to have to have some unique, exclusive, and brilliant third party support to drag me on board because Zelda is the first party franchise that sells me and you know how long that took to come to the Wii. PS. They need to drop the name. It really does make it sound like an accessory for the Wii.

@davsonamission : It is still entirely possible and likely for the wii-u to seel for $200-$250,it will mean selling at a loss but Nintendo is currently already doing that with the 3ds.They would be relying on the First Party software sales to make up for that difference and make a profit.Haha turns out pretty ironic that one of the last major worth-while games for wii will be appropriately titles 'The Last Story' :P

Anyone who thinks they will sell this new console for $200 - $250 is delusional at bare minimum $300 realistically $350 - $400. Remember the price point on the 3DS a handheld was $250 to start. I understand the economy is still rough right now, but geezz ppl quit being a bunch of cheap asses. This is a major upgrade for nintendo its like new cars do they ever go down in price from one year to the next no of course not. You have time so start socking back the dollars. My only concern is they get all this great 3rd party support and they start slacking off on the 1st party games (the bread and butter of nintendo) that would seriously disappoint me... I guess my last shining moment on my Wii will be Xenoblade and The Last Story...which i cant wait for its been quite sometime since I've played a quality RPG and yes own all three brands ... I will retract that Kingdoms of Amalur was pretty damn good...

@Vambran Being not as powerful a game console can also be an advantage depending on how you see it.

Remember, this is the same company that said the ipad 3 is "completely redefining gaming" ... I have played Epic games that I love. Gears was good. Bulletstorm was good. Unreal/Unreal Tournament is amazing. But dang these guys at the top are not impressing me. Regardless, I will be "shocked" if the Wii U DOES perform. Unless they launch at the $250 price point.. Ninty fans of course will tell me that it will sell just as many consoles as the Wii did... Yeah, not if it launches at $300-$500.... I'd buy one for $200 if it really had good 3rd party support.

@Vambran PS2 wasn't as graphically powerful as XBOX or GameCube, and look at how much third party support that got.

@vodoo. the library is doing great but u may not like it since ur probably used to having 9 games per franchise in a single generation on ur console so i would stay away if you prefer the same games every year. i mean do not get me wrong i love playing my ps3 but only when i am in the mood for simple games that are not unique in any way compared to others games on the console

The problem with the Wii-U is that it will not be as powerful as either the Xbox720 or PS4. It runs of the risk of falling behind and losing 3rd party support like the Wii did.

@Denshuu You do not know what your talking about because I have purchased systems before just to own a particular game exclusive.You may not do that,but do not make it sound like many don't either.I am buying a PS3 just for "Journey" yeah a $15 dollar downloadable game did that for Sony they sold a system.Why you ask? Because I love independant developers and developers that think outside of the box and create incredible experiences.While the majority of gamers are narrow minded proof is in the sales of COD.That Game Company thinks outside of the box and instead of creating just another shooter they think up ways to create emotion and unique games:P

@nate1222 Sony has already stated the possibility of no discdrive as well for PS4 they all want to make the full price for every game they develop Sony and Microsoft both are developers don't you think they want all the pie too? If they both go that route then Wii U will win BIG as I am sure there are a great many gamers who resent the idea of no used games:P

Michael Pachter is an idiot without a clue.They all said Wii would fail,they said that 3DS would fail LOL.I sure as hell would not want his advice for my financial future well being.

To be honest, I have almost lost all hope in Nintendo ( sad uh?). I still want Nintendo to pull something amazing out of their hat, but even if they do, their business model is not really encouraging....

I'm not keeping my hopes up, but I am gonna keep in touch with this console. It might be something, like vibrating toilet paper.

So funny how all these people attempt to come with a joke or quip (unless they are intentionally attempting at a lack of humor) about ''the kiddos buying the wii-u'' or parents buying it for their kids...that shows literally how little of a s### they know about the wii-u yet continue to run their mouths about it.They don't know that only 2 of the. what...16(?) games are actually rated (or likely to be rated ) e/e10 ..oh..wait these are the same pathetic jokes they made about the wii 5 years ago..copy & paste right? It has a similar name so according to their logic it has to be the same right? That is literally the only knowledge many of them have about it yet they continue to spew garbage about it as if they have any ground to criticize an item they know nothing about.

No thank's I already own a PS2!

meh not intersted in the wii u