playing music is alright and considered a real job. skill, hard work, creativity is done for entertainment. same wit Hollywood actors, athletic professional sports, and circus. these things are exactly the same concept of eSports. just because it's a game doesn't make a difference. you think they're having fun and enjoyment, practicing 12 hours a day, stressing, dealing with criticism, as well as getting extremely low income, and even to get that income you need to win a lot of tournaments. being a Pro gamer, especially in a brutally hard strategy game like sc2, with insane numbers of challenging competition, and some people don't call it a job. i think it is one of the hardest jobs you can get, and you need insane amount of skill, dedication, hard work, and love for the game to do it. most of these aspects don't apply to any other job. McDonalds, store retailer, or any other normal job doesn't require 10 percent of skills and hardships pro gamers face, this is why i respect them for choosing a much harder and riskier road.
eSports team Quantic Gaming disbands; over 20 players left teamless.
Whilst an official statement has not yet been made by the organisation, several of Quantic Gaming's rostered players subsequently shared their thoughts regarding the news via social media, including Starcraft II players Florence "flo" Yao, Chris "Illusion" Lee, and Michael "theognis" McClelland.
The website cadred.org has reported on tweets from Rod "Slasher" Breslau, who cited that investors had pulled funding from the team.
The organisation has posted on Twitter that a "more thorough message" regarding its closure will be posted soon. For a full list of players left teamless from the disbandment, see below.
Josh "Agh" Bland
Kim "Apocalypse" Min Hyung
Zac "ChAnCe" Palmer
Moon "DdoRo" Jung Ho
Florence "flo" Yao
Cho "Golden" Myung Hwan
Eugene "HasHe" Demenchukov
Devan "Hawk" Subramaniam
Chris "Illusion" Lee
Madeleine "MaddeLisk" Leander
Jeffrey "MaximusBlack" Johnston
Kim "SaSe" Hammar
Michael "Spanishiwa" Yabut
Ryan "State" Visbeck
Michael "theognis" McClelland
Choi "TheStC" Yun Sik
League of Legends
Ferris "AGeNt" Ganzman
Hai "Hai" Lam
Daerek "LemonNation" Hart
Zach "Nien" Malhas
Jason "WildTurtle" Tran
Gabriel "Yazuki" Ng
Call of Duty series
Patrick "Aches" Price
Ian "Crimsix" Porter
Tyler "TeePee" Polchow
Blake "Veng" Campbell
As much traction as eSports may have, there is a fundamental problem: the vast majority of people will never see it as a "sport". Nevermind the technical definition of a "sport", it's hard to take this stuff seriously no matter how much skill or dedication these players have.
Traditional sports teams go through stuff like this as well, so is it really a surprise that an eSports team goes under?
I guess the investors realized that they will not get a return on their investment, tangible or otherwise
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Funny reading through the comments "Time to get a real job"
I was never really into E-Sports but i've been watching two people since they appeared on Youtube doing something they enjoyed, Jeff "MaximusBlack" whos on or was on Quantic & Adam "NovaWar"
Out of their spare time they made Starcraft 2 videos for fun, just acting different then all the other casters. They got bigger and bigger and put alot of time and effort into it all at no cost. Now their channel "LagTv" is big and they make money off of it.
MaximusBlack won King of the Web a few months ago which was $5000, i believe he put in $1500 of his own money (Might have been someone else can't recall) and DC entertainment matched the $7500 and gave the grand total of $15000 to the Save The Children charity.
Define what a job is or could be?
@killa32130 I don't get the "get a real job" comments...
Pro gamers aren't much different from pro athletes - both are doing something for money that is done for fun and entertainment by others.
Honestly, pro gaming isn't the same thing as gaming for entertainment, any more than an NFL player is doing the same thing as you when you go out to play backyard football on Thanksgiving.
I used to be very good and competed pretty well at an amateur tournament level in Halo 2 and Halo 3 (winning local tournaments / college tournaments), and at one point looked into what it would take to go pro. Basically, it would have taken a complete commitment to playing nothing but Halo for 40+ hours a week, and not playing it for fun but playing every game as a tryhard.
Add on top of that out-of pocket investment to go to larger tournaments (e.g. MLG) to compete + the fact that the whole thing is a huge gamble and I just decided it wasn't worth the chance.
All that to say: Pro gaming is not the same thing as amateur gaming. Pro gamers are not doing what you do when you sit down and play games on Friday night after a long work week. It's also not something that's economically viable yet. But, it is as much a "real job" as playing any other sport.
@The_Beanster @killa32130 Other than the fact that real athletes put their bodies on the line physically, risk injury, and are away from their family traveling all the time. Also the fact that they train their entire lives just to crack a chance at being in a professional league. I would rather watch a real sport than watch someone make money off gaming any day. It definitely takes a lot more to be a real athlete than a pro gamer. I have nothing against pro gamers, but saying pro gamers aren't much different than athletes just because it's a form of entertainment, is ridiculous.
@The_Beanster Hit the nail right on its head. The money athletes make is actually indeed disgusting.
Not even a high paying job as a Network Security Consultant or Penetration Tester blowing their brains out for 15 hours a day could even compare to what athletes make.
Pro-gamers just make enough money to sustain themselves yet you compare them to "Real Athletes" that make millions. Yes no form of physical activity is required however in comparison it does take a lot of hard work and willpower to train 10-14 hours a day.
They are also prone to injury, when you sit in front of a PC doing repetitive tasks everyday for 12 hours, Arthritis , Carpel Tunnel , Wrist and Shoulder injuries can easily occur. These guys are putting their bodies physically at risk as well.
To each his own, I find myself easily engaged during MLG weekends. However would never find myself wasting time watching the Super Bowl or NBA championship.
The fact that thousands of athletes make more money in a year than I'll ever see in my life working a productive job is far more disgusting than the fact that there's a couple dozen people in the world making a living on video games.
I agree only that unlike football and other sports, esports is more of a strategy thinking sorta thing rather than a physical like the other forms of sport entertainment we're use to seeing!
The fact that I've never heard of this "team" or any of it's members shows how unimportant competitive game players truly are.
@x_hunter00 Anything you've never heard of is unimportant...sounds right.
What is "important", really? Do what you love to do as long as you can put food on the table, and fvck everyone else.
@chrisrooR These guys don't do this because it puts food on the table, they do this because of the attention they get from playing these games.
@x_hunter00 Well thats a fast generalization. I think you will be surprised that you're not entirely correct...
Sure, but a part of that is winning competitions, which equals money and sponsorship deals. Money is money.
And what exactly constitutes an "important" job? To me, it would be doing something you love to do. And these guys seem to really enjoy what they do.
Most of you on here sound like sore losers. Last thing you want in your life is a REAL JOB theres nothing special about breaking your back for minimum wage. And thats exactly what a real job is, its wasting your life then before you know it your 60, duying and have nothing but regrets and bad memories to spend your days with........
You be the hard worker, ill be the CEO.........
@DarkSaber2k then tell me how those who wear helmets and protect a football gets payed overwhelmingly more than those who wear helmets and protect our country. oh, and did you know, a lot of young men who come back from war remain homeless, and mentally traumatize with no psychiatric treatment. so before you say eSport isn't a job, think about athletic sports and well as hollywood. eSport is entertainment brought by pure skill and hard work from pro gamers. do you know how much mentality they put into it. it is much harder to make it successful in eSports than become an actor or an amateur professional in a sport. plus they get payed very little for what they do, unlike hollywood actors, who get payed by millions for being in presence, while our soldiers are dying homeless on the streets, or struggling on welfare checks.
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@Venatorcruiser I enjoy watching professional sports, but I don't consider that a "real" job either; just a bunch of grown men paid a ridiculous amount of money to play a game.
@WhiteStormy @Venatorcruiser Interesting you think that they are paid ridiculous amounts of money, like in professional sports like the NFL etc. How did you come to this conclusion exactly? Where do you get your statistics from? No one makes an esports team to make a buck. It's a money sink. They do this because they are passionate about gaming and the competitive scene. There is nothing wrong with that. Competitive gaming is freakin awesome to watch and I learn a ton from seeing really damn good players play. It's not only entertaining but also gives me incite into what I should do to become better in a particular game/gaming genre.
@WhiteStormy @Venatorcruiser I see. I misred your first point. however, your point about watching an RTS being boring is just your lonely opinion. I love watching SC2 games, and yeah I love watching chess matches, and go matches as well. SC2 is chess on steroids, it's fascinating to watch how people handle their macro, and also how they micro their units. People who are into SC2 learn a lot from competitive matches, and also get excited about it, and a lot of people find it entertaining, twitch.tv being proof of this growing trend.
Entertainment is an industry, and athletes provide entertainment in the form playing sports really well. They have to work extremely hard to keep in good shape, and stay on top. Yeah it's a game, but it's an industry that has high demand, which is why they get paid so much.
I was unaware that I mentioned any statistics, but it's no secret that professional athletes make hundreds of thounsands, if not millions, from playing nothing more than a game.
I don't see how competitive gaming can be awesome to watch. In my opinion, there's nothing more boring than watching someone else play a video game, especially if it's an RTS. It's like watching a chess match. If it appears that I'm on the edge of my seat, it's because I've fallen asleep and am now in danger of sliding out of it.
@DoctorTanaka I'm sure these "players" are better suited for taking my order at the drive through or flipping burgers.
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@Venatorcruiser A real job contributes to society. They do what millions of people do as a entertainment. That's not a job.
@WhiteStormy Wait, so Football is not a real job?
@WhiteStormy @Venatorcruiser Well, as long as you would say the same to - every - other person who lost their opportunity to make money out of what other people do only for entertainment (e.g. sportsmen, dancers, artists?,...) I am fine with your statement.
I just find it a little bit strange, that out of all people who make money in such fashion, it's the progamers who take so much criticism despite them earning very small money in comparison to some other "non-contributing" jobs.
@Venatorcruiser Lol no.
@WhiteStormy totally true!!! lol
Well, I have no doubt these guys will be able to find work somewhere in the gaming industry. Possibly returning to their respective games as pros (as they were beforehand), or in some other area (product development, game design...etc).
When you play a videogame at that level, you understand core elements of it in a way I can't even imagine.
People... this argument about "real sports" is very simple:
Sports, like videogames, is a form of entertainment. Anybody can throw a football or pick up a controller. At the professional level, main stream sports such as basketball, football, soccer have athletes who ENTERTAIN their fans. E-sports is the same thing... at a smaller level, but it has a market pool who are ENTERTAINED by the performances from these professional gamers.
It really is a simple concept. We watch professional sports (e-sports included) because of the entertainment value in it.
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I love playing sports like football, baseball and so on but never ever watch others play them, that's just boring as hell.
Sports are meant to be played, sitting around while other people have fun playing is dumb.
@billnye69 , you are missing my point....
My point, in other words, is this: People PAY to watch sports at the professional level due to the entertainment value.
Whether you fit this group or not is irrelevant.
Anybody can make a movie as long as they have a camera, like anybody can kick a ball or pick up a controller. What's being discussed here is NOT whether a person can or cannot perform/do a specific task (in reality, anybody can do a bit of anything/everything). What's being discussed here is the topic of SPORTS/ SPORTSMANSHIP and ENTERTAINMENT VALUE
Naturally we are not limited to what we can do, but HOW WELL we can do it. The mere fact that you have a guitar DOES NOT mean that i'd pay to watch you play... simply because you aren't any good. You play guitar, just not well enough for me to pay watch you perform.. However, if you give SLASH a guitar, I'd gladly pay the entrance fee because of the SKILL he has.
That example can be used in sports, movies, entertainment, or to most examples that are being presented in this thread.
Sports are completely different then movies, concerts and other forms of entertainment. Movies, concerts take a lot of money to put on, no average person could do that.
You think people would pay to go see a concert if they could get bands to come and play at there own personal concert they are putting on themselves. hell no they wouldn't.
Sports are different, they can be played by anyone, almost anywhere. Why pay for something you can do yourself? I'd rather gather friends together and play our own game of football for free and have a great time doing it over paying $200+ for gas, tickets amd stadium food to sit there for 2-3hrs and watch other people enjoy themselves. It's even worse when the game turns out to be boring, then its a complete waste of time.
You're saying it's stupid to pay to watch someone play sports? Does that mean it's equally stupid for someone to pay for a concert, or to go see a movie? Look at those idiots paying to watch Skyfall when they could just go out and be British spies.
I understood what you meant. I was only pointing out that paying money to watch other people have fun playing a game is just stupid.
Why would it be entertaining to be on the side lines watching others enjoy themselves?
That's just the way I look at it. I know other people feel different and that's fine too.
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