Gamers caught with PS3 hacks face PSN ban

@mav_destroyer @Team-Dragoon Yeah sorry I realized that like 10 seconds after I submitted my comment, and lol no way I would do that xD

@Team-Dragoon @funny16 @DarthLod and your point is? You just said the same thing I said.

 @tightwad34  @Syxx8psycho If the copyright isn't in the name of the site you're downloading it from then it's generally not something you should be downloading... If it's a free game that currently costs money everywhere else, it's almost definately pirated.

If you're downloading from the PSN it's fine... Lets be honest there's nothing much other than pictures and music worth downloading onto the PS3 from anywhere other than the PSN... Legallly.

 @Syxx8psycho

 No, I mean if I am downloading something on purpose, how will I know if it's pirated? Is there something to indicate it? Or should I know because it seems shady? I was wondering if there is an obvious way to tell the differnce between pirated and legit software.

 @funny16  @Syxx8psycho  @Xvault77  @Space_Paranoids Yup... check Microsofts, Nintendo and Steam... all you have is a license to use them.European courts are demanding the right to sell that license but honestly... why bother, Focus instead on demanding smaller prices for digital only games.

 @Syxx8psycho  @Xvault77  @Space_Paranoids

This should be common knowledge by now for everybody. Software is licensed to you. That goes for anything that exsists in digital form.  You don't own any of it and never have.

Yeah, for the record, by hacking I mean such as; running Linux on your PS3 and making a video of it to show off your accomplishment or making your own little homebrew demo projects to maybe show off a cool new capabilityor feature for the community (as was mentioned). Maybe someone at Sony will see it and be like "cool, never thought of that way, gives me some ideas." Microsoft held a contest for hacking the Kinect and look at the great things everyone came up with...As long as it harms no one in the process or doesn't affect anyone else's enjoyment in any way, shape or form, I'm completely for it. I have a friend who has a second computer and he puts viruses on it just try to figure them out and remove them for fun (we data center guys are weird). All in al,l I honestly think companies would not care even half as much over tinkering around with their equipment, it's just a few bad apples ruining for everyone and kids thinking they are cool because they can copy and paste something on a flash drive.

 @Xvault77  @Space_Paranoids I agree with you here, if you mod your console or games to give yourself an advantage in some way then stay away from those who play legit. Im all for fair play. But Sony hides behind the excuse of piracy to condone their actions ie, if you agreed to any of the past two years of their TOS, you waived your right for a class action lawsuit, even if you have proof that your personal info was used due to the lack of security on their servers. Any honest corporation would never try to hide and cover their a$$es with TOS agreements that make you waive your civil rights. Thats morally wrong. The US Military uses PS3 consoles clustered together to perform massive calculations, as well as some universities. And Im willing to bet my right arm that the consoles being used for those tasks arent running the latest 4.31 fw that was released. Ive written a few aps that I run on my yellow dog linux ps3, Ive made my own homebrew versions of NES and PS1 titles. Yeah I have several computers that I can easily load red hat or yd linux, but why should I limit my knowledge to pc platforms? Ive been gaming since I could hold a joystick, Ive storyboarded a few titles that Ive thought up, I learned about wireframing, bumpmapping, and other things that an aspiring game designer would need to know. If I had the $ Id go out and buy my own PS3 sdk, but thats a few thousand dollars outta my reach. So I took an alternate route to learn how the ps3 and its games works. If you agreed to Sonys TOS, then yes modding your console is wrong. But if you're one of the few who never placed your ps3 online EVER, then it should be open game on what you want to do with it. Will I get to be a game designer some day? Hopefully. Will I mod a system just to get free games or to cheat in a game online, not ever. I do what I do for the knowledge. My personal collection of videogames is up in the thousands. Everything from Atari 2600, 5200, XE Computer, Lynx, Gameboy, Gamegear, TG16 Portable, Intellivision to todays XBOX360, PS3, Wii sits nicely in my gaming room. To me videogames are art. It takes skill and craploads of time to produce these games that we all love. And Im all for giving the programmers their due, but dont walk all over your customers rights with catch 22's.  As far as cheaters and pirates are concerned, hang em, but let those who want to learn about the technologies learn as long as they dont harm anyone elses enjoyment of their consoles.

 @Space_Paranoids Indeed it can belooked at in that way. I agree to a point of what you say but again, after the past hackings so far and whatnot, what has sony done differently that was so exposed? They tightened up security for themselves and that's about it. Unfortunately there really is not too much good that can come of it. Instead of breaching everything, anyone that jailbreaks it or finds certain ways to mod it needs to go about it differently and in a way that does not affect everyone else that just wants to game and be legit.

I'm not a hacker nor do I ever aspire to be one and I agree that a portion of the time it's put to a less than beneficial use but...If we didn't have someone constantly pushing the boundaries, we wouldn't be where we are today. Companies are sitting on greater technologies that have been created but are content to slowly leak them to us so they can consistently roll out slightly better version for obvious financial gain, marketing them as if it's some new complete breakthrough. The "good" side of hacking is tapping the potential of the current hardware to improve it's useability and see what  is possible, pushing developers and corporations to stay honest, the "bad" side is pirates and children who think it's cool to "de-rank" you in a shooter lobby.

 @Syxx8psycho  @bwvictorious Well, first of all, thank you for not freaking out over my last reply. Second, again i do understand all that you say. Yes, morals or no morals, it all depends. You're right in the respect that if given the option, which we all do with the right knowledge and options - to in fact rip games and do this for much cheaper than an outright purchase of $60 or lower. Also with the fact you "can't throw your ps3 off a bridge if you wanted to" is just ridiculous. The Sony police are watching everyone's move on whether or not you throw ps3's off a bridge, into traffic, into the hoover dam??? By all means, take a hammer and smash away, I am sure not many people or Sony truly care what you do in retrospect. I mean the true bottom line here is anyone that holds a grudge for anything Sony has done to piss them off or they can't "hack" or "modify" their system like they want just needs to drop it, move on, go to another system or PC even and realize there are much better things in life to waste such time and effort on. I speak in truth here - if another hacking or anything happens to Sony or the PS3, heads are gonna roll coming from us true gamers towards the moron hackers and whatever they are trying to prove, which is absolutely nothing. Start a war with gas prices if you're going to do our lives of well being any good for God's sake.

 @bwvictorious  @Xvault77 Go research PS3 and other OS removal, Im pretty sure you will find people who want their Other OS option back, and those that did want it got their wish months ago. I dont condone piracy, it only hurts the industry, but I will not be told what I can and cant do with the products Ive purchased. If I wanna toss my ps3 off a bridge into the river then so be it. This argument can go on forever, to hack or not to hack. In the end a pirate will pirate, a legit user of other os will have his linux, and a regular gamer will have his updated ps3 console, and a cheater will find his way to cheat in whatever game he/she wishes to cheat in.(mind you a hacked console isnt necessary to cheat in... COD care package glitch anyone??)  Now, if the ps3 or any other game console already came with the ability to rip the game to its internal or external storage, and could be played without an original disc in the machine, would you still go out and buy the game even though you could rent a copy and rip it or borrow a friends? Ill bet that most of the people reading this will jump over to Gamefly in a minute if you had this ability. Save $60 and still get the game you want? Thats almost too good a temptation to resist. But thats where self control and morality come in. Some of us have that and some of us dont.

 @bwvictorious  @Xvault77  @Syxx8psycho No, but in most recent games they don't even allow you to backup your saves (or allow it, but not to transfer them to another console) which is absurd. Removing BC is also an utterly stupid move to make. I still own the day one PS3 and I would probably switch if it weren't for lack of BC in new consoles. And Linux? At least you could browse net on it unlike the current PS3 browser.