iPhone 5 preorders hit 2M in 24 hours

 @Roxas_27  @DarthLod You keep avoiding my initial argument. Your OP said "They're not buying a product, they're buying a label that they can show off to their peers"...in which I reply "get off your high horse". I'll buy an iPhone every month if I want, that's none of your business. What I don't like is your suggestion that iPhone buyers are only interested in showing them off to people like a clothing accessory. That isn't "fanboyism" speaking, it's common sense. All your other points may have some merit, but I don't really care.

 @sireltonjohn  @DarthLod "As for being "butthurt", I'm not the one expressing anger over Apple's success."

Neither am I.  Apple is a company, doing what all companies do.  I'm a fan of Sony, I'll admit, but I got a 30GB iPod video when it first came out and haven't looked back.  At the same time, I felt no urge to buy the brand new iPod that followed it, because I have one that still works perfectly.  Mindless consumerism is what I addressed in my very first comment that you replied to; how you got that I was singling out Apple from that is beyond me.  Tone down the fanboyism a bit. 

I don't even own a smartphone, and will not even consider buying one until my current phone explodes.  I was able to afford a top-of-the-line phone years ago, and every year since, but I'm sure you can guess why I didn't buy one, right?

But yes, shame on me for still liking products that are 2+ years old, and for not needing a car worth $70,000+ just to make my life feel as though it has value.  But if you absolutely need those slight changes to the iPhone, then sure, go support a company that I happen to support as well, that'll sure show me.

 @jellyman68  @sireltonjohn  @DarthLod After supporting Call of Duty for so long, I never actually thought I'd be on the other side of the debate.

 @Roxas_27  @DarthLod You have heard that joke before haven't you :-)

As for being "butthurt", I'm not the one expressing anger over Apple's success. I'd say you are the one that needs Preperation H.

I want the new iPhone (after waiting a couple months to read reviews, work out bugs, etc.) because I like them and because I can. I certainly am not trying to impress anyone with the purchase as you suggest. Not that I need to justify my reasoning to you or any scumbag Apple hater on this forum, but keep fighting the good fight I suppose. You teach those naughty consumers a lesson!

 @Roxas_27  @sireltonjohn  @DarthLod "my argument is against people who buy new versions of a product every year just to have it"

Why else would anyone buy anything?

 @sireltonjohn  @DarthLod Oooh, a valet joke, never heard that one before.

Most people I know who own nice cars had them bought for them by their parents, and don't know the value of a dollar.  I don't have anything against people who want to own nice cars, as I would like to own one too.  However, my argument is against people who buy new versions of a product every year just to have it, so unless you've owned a BMW from every series or something similar, you don't fit into my argument's target audience, and therefore have no reason to be so butthurt.

 @Slade968  @jellyman68  @adroge1  @Dragdar Boy have you got it wrong.  Microsoft are releasing a rectangular tablet, same as Sony, Motorola and all the rest have with no issue from Apple.

Apple ripped Samsung a new one because Samsung took the pish. Google even warned them they were taking the pish. Samsung ignored them and got their ass handed to them in court.

 @Slade968  @adroge1  @Dragdar Samsung are lucky that's all they're suing for, especially in light of the emails between Samsung employees who were saying that certain aspects of their phones needed changing to be more like the iPhone.

 @jellyman68  @adroge1  @Dragdar Just a little information. Apple sued samsung based on the fact that they used iphone's Rectangle design. THATS IT. Which is bullshit. What are other companies supposed to do, only release a phone that is oval or square? On the surface, its easy to agree with apple because the samsung galaxy was pretty much a rip off of the iphone but if you look at the actual court precedings/ruling and the vernacular used, that really wasn't it.

I agree that the Samsung Galaxy did rip off iphone in that it looks and behaves almost exactly like an iphone. But that is NOT what they were sued for.

Apple's constant effort to corner the market and not allow any phones to even resemble "their" rectangular shape doesn't do anything to further the market or phones in general. It inhibits creativity and competition. 

As a sidenote, I bought the iphone 4 and still use it to this day and it has been a great phone. Do I plan on buying another apple product? Probably not

 @grnionio I meant good as in quality not good willed or whatever it is you thought I said. And there isn't a high profile lawsuit between Apple and MS because MS aren't a threat right now, Samsung was becoming too big a threat in the mobile market so Apple went after them, they were the biggest threat to their dominance in the USA.

The result was a insanely biased decision, an american company, "fighting" on american soil, with american jurors that probably had iPhones in their pockets vs the big, bad Samsung from Korea. Not to mention that to put such a decision in the hands of 12 average Joes that know nothing of tech,patents,etc with nothing but a crash course on these things to go by is borderline retarded. The lawsuit should have been decided by organizations that know what the hek they're doing not by random (probably) biased jurors.

They don't try to overcome any competition? They've had lawsuits with Nokia,HTC,Kodak and Motorola just in the past few years, they're still paying royalties to Nokia for infringing on Nokia wireless patents. So yeah, they're trying to stifle competition and pointing the finger at others while they shamelessly steal tech themselves.

And please, Apple has been going up against MS for years and years, they're just not in each other's way right now. Let's see what happens if Windows 8 Mobile is a success and starts eating at Apple's market share, I'm thinking Apple lawyers will start scrambling to find something to base a lawsuit on. Here's a quick read about an old lawsuit between them: http://www.freibrun.com/articles/articl12.htm.

 @4G4  @Daian Businesseption?

 @Daian  @grnionio  Something i learnt in ethics. The business of Business is Business... think about it

 @Daian There are not "good companies". And I don't think that Apple tries to overcome any competition. They already had. 2mil in 24h. I don't care about the "good" companies who are getting hurt by the lawsuits, it's their responsibility to use their own technologies or license them. I haven't saw Apple and MS at the courts. Not for the Surface, not anything. And that's why Apple and MS are having an agreement related to design and stuff. So, if they wanted to avoid it, they were able to. And you shouldn't hate how corporations are working, that's their nature, numbers and business...

 @grnionio It's like I've said before, nowadays they don't try to be better to overcome their competition, they try to stifle it through any means possible. That is hate worthy because good companies can go out of business that way which obviously has numerous implications.

 @grnionio  @Dragdar That sounds awesome, I think I will cosplay as Nemesis or The Joker while doing that too.

 @toddx77  @Dragdar You can always spend your holidays at Greece, visit Athens, and throw some molotovs at the police. It's a great experience and surely you will not be a government doggie again...

 @Daian Nothing in this level deserves hate. A murderer deserves hate, a raper deserves hate. Apple doesn't deserves hate because of a product they build and that you have, either way, no intension to buy. You can't hate something you can't afford or don't want to have. By "analyzing the situation and coming to the conclusion that the subject in question" it deserves to be criticised with valid arguments which are supporting this kind of criticism. Understand, please, that it's different to say "the iPhone 5 is a letdown, i'm not satisfied and the competition is better" and "I want to burn f*cking Apple down, they steal people, blah blah blah, I'm against the system and I'm a liberator! I even support Anonymous. Let's liberate the poor Apple slave-sheeps! Fiiire!" So yeah...

 @grnionio  @Dragdar I could say the same about apples marketing.  And I could care less about being a judge.  I will never be a dog of the government again.

 @grnionio  Wrong, hate in this case comes from analyzing the situation and coming to the conclusion that the subject in question deserves to be hated.

 @toddx77  @Dragdar Shouldn't, then, an educated person know that hate and other emotional influences are preventing you from thinking straight and objectively? You, for example, cannot become a judge because you're heavily influenced by your aggressive emotions. Sorry...

 @jellyman68  Oh please, the result was a insanely biased decision. An american company, "fighting" on american soil, with american jurors that probably had iPhones in their pockets vs the big, bad Samsung from Korea.

Not to mention that to put such a decision in the hands of 12 average Joes that know nothing of tech,patents,etc with nothing but a crash course on these things to go by is borderline retarded. The lawsuit should have been decided by organizations that know what the hek they're doing not by random (probably) biased jurors.

The courts didn't agree, in fact the final judge told them to settle because she knew it was a bad idea to let this in the hands of a random jury. A dozen random jurors decided that, if it was decided by courts from organizations that specialized in such matters like it usually happens then I'd say ok, they lost fair and square. 

Apple has had lawsuits with Nokia,HTC,Kodak and Motorola just in the past few years, they're still paying royalties to Nokia for infringing on Nokia wireless patents, many are still ongoing lawsuits. So yeah, they're trying to stifle competition and pointing the finger at others while they shamelessly steal tech themselves. Now that's really what's pathetic.

 @Daian  @grnionio Don't buy one then. You're stupid if you can't see that "better" is completely subjective. And one thing you're forgetting about the Apple lawsuit is that it was Apple suing Samsung, and Samsung suing Apple. Apple just won, that's all. You're just bitter that the courts agree that Samsung have been copying Apple, because you hate to admit it yourself. It's pathetic.

 @Daian Maybe it's because of the simplicity of things, unlike Android and the whole "just works" factor, which is valid. And consider how many out of the total Android users are taking full advantage of its open customisation, open source, blah blah. Surely not the majority or the average user, unlike me and you. Sure, i would love to play with Android possibilities, but in front of the ecosystem i already use and invested so much on, its not a buy-factor.

Yes, surpassed. Oups.

 @grnionio I think you mean surpassed. And I fail to see the superiority in its user experience with such limited customization.

 @Daian Sorry for the disappointment. But i believe that the user experience and the ecosystem Apple offers cannot be super passed for me. Which handset is the best in the market for you? I would love to hear your opinion.

 @grnionio You believe the iPhone is the best phone out there, your credibility is 0. Pity, you actually try to offer more to the conversation than the usual fanboy but you just end up with nothing more than an elaborate "haters gonna hate" comment.