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3Jan 13

Sony Patent

First things first. I've been very loyal to Sony ever since the PS1, always buying the next gen consoles and games upon release whether they've been used or new. Recently, Sony have submitted a patent for technology that blocks the usage of any "used" games. This means you will only be able to play new games on their consoles if this technology is used.

How does it work? It is actually quite simple: When you load a game into the console it sends your account data and CD ID to a server to verify the "Terms of service". If this is approved your account information is recorded with the CD ID on their servers. If the game is then put into a different console it would find that the game has already been registered against another account and would block the user from playing that particular game.

Before we look at both the pro's and cons of what Sony have developed it is important to note that Sony have not yet confirmed that this technology will at all be used in their next generation consoles or for any of their other products at the time of writing this. The purpose of this is to pose some hypothetical questions/answers as to why this could be a bad or positive move for Sony as a developer. Feel free to contribute in the comments section.

The first issue is that it is assumed you have an internet connection. I understand that most people in this day and age do have access to the internet but there is still a minority that do not. Does this mean that they will not be able to play the new games on the new console that they have purchased? They won't be able to play these games (hypothetically) because each game requires verification from Sony prior to having the ability to play the game to check the "Terms of Service" of that disk, right? This looks like Sony are already discriminating against a section of their current market before their product is even released yet.

What about if a friend wants to borrow a game? Everyone knows that gaming is about community, right? What if I want to take a game over to a friends place to show them a game I'd just purchased? Does this mean I would need to take my console over to my friends house too? There are a couple of ways that this could work out; If you had your friends account on the PSN this could allow your friends to play your games for a certain amount of time or for a small fee. I feel a little bit off about the whole thing though, It just feels like money grabbing. This then leads to my next point...

What if I was taking my console over to my friends house to play a game and I accidently dropped and broke the console? Not even, what if I broke my console at home or the console stops working? Does this mean I need to re-buy licenses for those games I've already purchased? I'm sure Sony wouldn't let this happen and let common sense prevail - The games will most likely be recorded against a users account as opposed to physical console but this is still a valid question to address.

Now let's take a moment to think about the younger demographic - I remember as a kid I wasn't generally able to buy new games due to the price as I didn't have a full time job. I would purchase a used game, play it and then trade it in again for another game. This technology is going to kill the trade in market which means gamers cannot get a better deal on new games or consoles by trading in and this has gamers on forums furious. This could mean Sony faithful defect to another platform as most games released these days are ported onto various platforms (assuming that other platforms don't also adopt this same technology).

This technology will see the end of the used games market as we know it. This is going to have a negative affect on the retail industry because many stores rely quite heavily on renting and/or trading video games. If you don't think that this will have a negative impact on the retail industry it already has: GameStop shares tumble following Sony patent application.

Perhaps this all could have been avoided if new games were competitively priced? Perhaps then gamers would have purchased new games instead of used ones. Unfortunately I don't think so - Retail stores have much more of an overhead than online stores do and a lot of content is digital these days too so I feel that if Sony do use this technology the days for the bricks and mortar retail stores are numbered because consumers will resort to purchasing online to get a better deal.

Whilst there are many negatives about this technology there is also some positive aspects for the gaming community as well. With this technology it means that developers are getting back what is rightfully theres. Used game sales mean that developers are not making any money on their own titles whereas the retail stores do. By not making money from the sale of used games, developers are losing money from potential customers that were going to buy their game anyway, that they the developer, have spent a lot of time and money to develop. Developers will have higher profits which means more money can be spent on new IP's that are polished and are of a much better quality which is only a good thing for the gaming community.

This could also mean that developers could hypothetically release all of the Downloadable Content with the release of their title with free updates because they no longer need to gouge consumers with DLC in order to recooperate costs.

There are some pro's, there are some cons but do the pro's outweigh the cons? Will Sony actually implement this technology within their next generation if the patent goes through? I guess we will have to wait and see.

A Look into Online Gaming

Another "hot topic" of contention this week is EA's decision to shut down online only services for 12 games. This may be a strategic decision to save costs due to the fact that EA seem to be going through some financial trouble as they were recently delisted from the NASDAQ-100. EA's financial position is not my topic of discussion, it is the longevity and prevalence of online gaming and it's rise and place within the gaming community.

Online games are a great thing for developers. Online content that can be purchased and downloaded from home means consumers can purchase and play games at any time of the day or night. Consumers are no longer restricted to a bricks and mortar retail environment which creates a global market, not just a local one. This is particularly important for indie developers that are trying to get their titles out there.

The fact that so many games and DLC is online can also be a problem in it's own right. The DLC and/or games will only be online if the servers are kept up to hold the data. Recently Star Wars: Galaxies shut down all of their servers after nine years. This was very hard for some fans but it made way for Star Wars: The Old Republic which is a newer and fresher MMORPG. What about nostalgia? Many of the old consoles like NES, SNES, Sega Mega Drive, Sega Saturn, ETC, I like to pull out and game with on occasion and when I finally have kids they will be able to appreciate what it was like for me gaming when I was a child. With the prevelance of online gaming it doesn't look like many of the great titles we have around currently will be around for others to enjoy into the future.

This has cause for concern. If these online based games shut down after complete success the digital world of DLC would surely be on the chopping block as well. Imagine not being able to download certain content for a game because the server this content was available from has shut down.

There is also the fact that games like COD: Black Ops, Battlefield, ETC play much better via online multi-player as humans are much smarter than the NPC's in most FPS games. Imagine if the servers for multi-play were shut down for these titles? You've then lost half of the game. You won't need to imagine because this will be a reality.

Enjoy all of the online games and DLC that you can now because I doubt very much that it will be here into the future. Sad but true.

42 comments
llantaeusll
llantaeusll

 In my opinion, the video game industry is in such bad shape.Everyone is trying to create solutions for it but I don't believe there is a solution. I honestly believe that console gaming industry will not survive the ps4 and xbox 720. Sounds crazy to say but just look at what kind of shape it is in now.

 

I do believe there needs to be a documentary done because the majority of people do not know how the video game industry works(me being one of them).

 

Part 1-it shows in detail the process which goes into making a video game and show why they make dlc,how they make a profit on video games and etc.

Part 2- would show it from the consumers/employees point of views.

Part 3- would have big name gaming companies sitting down with consumers and discussing everything and creating a treaty or something lol

 

It probably wouldn't solve anything but at least everyone would be informed and actually know whats going on.

 

Amorphis2k
Amorphis2k

 @llantaeusll

 I don't think the gaming industry is in bad shape at all. Read my blog "It's A Numbers Game" http://au.gamespot.com/users/Amorphis2k/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=m-100-25999333 which is based on figures in the industry (I'll be publishing another more updated blog on this this week). It's just that bad choices can lead to the demise of some aspects of the industry whereas other areas will flourish.

llantaeusll
llantaeusll

 @Amorphis2k  The only reason I say its in bad shape is because I hardly hear good news about console gaming. Almost every time I see a article published, its usually talking about how console video games are struggling to sell. I been gaming all my life but I will admit I do not know how things work in the gaming world. For example, Sony was in the red so long with the PS3 and I think last year just started making a profit. Why did it take that long? I would love to find a good book,website or something like that really explain the video game business.

 

 I read "Its a numbers game" and those numbers are impressive but I never really been a big fan of numbers. Mainly because anyone can fix up numbers to make them sound impressive.

llantaeusll
llantaeusll

 @Amorphis2k  Ultimately console gaming is dying. If its not a AAA title or made by AAA company then the game is probably not going to make money. 

 

smliquid
smliquid

I really hope Sony's Patent doesn't appear on the new console. Personally, if the game is good, I will buy it new but used games offer a huge discount. Used games cost a bit less and I sell games often because I beat games quickly. If a sell a game at GS, I get an extra 10% on that game plus an extra 10% off a used game. Even if this patent isn't implemented, I don't even like its existence. Its like if a country acquires nuclear technology. Sure they may not use it, but its always there. I'll admit, I've abused used games. GS had a rule where if you return a used game within 7 days you could get all your money back :). I believe publishers/developers deserve their money, but there's a better way to go about this. Good blog though.

 

Also, I just started blogging myself, how do you put a url into text? 

Amorphis2k
Amorphis2k

 @smliquid

 Hi smliquid - I completely agree, I wouldn't have found Kane and Lynch: Dog Days in the "bargain bin" which means I wouldn't have bought it and it's not that bad a game. That's the thing, there are some hidden gems in the bargain bin. Also PS2 games are being sold off by retailers now at $5 for three and that's what they do when the generation becomes too old. When PS3 becomes too old then they will do the same - Retailers need to get rid of old stock, they do the same with clothes and all sorts of different items in different industries.

 

NB: To add a "hyperlink" into text, you highlight the text then select the "hyperlink" button on your dashboard in the edit window of your blog then put the web address into the correct field.

smliquid
smliquid

 @Amorphis2k 

 

Funny that you mention Kane and Lynch. I bought the first one and enjoyed it but it fell short of my expectations so I sold it a week after I bought it new. Then I learned of the sequels short story mode so I bought it used. It was enjoyable but not work $60. 

 

Also thanks for the help with "hyperlinks".

Amorphis2k
Amorphis2k

 @smliquid

 I completely agree that Kane and Lynch is not something you would want to buy new and that's the whole point. We need the used games market and so do developers so gamers can be exposed to games they generally would not play.

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King9999
King9999 like.author.displayName 1 Like

If Sony decided to implement their patent, there's a good chance that the courts will strike down the tech.  Nintendo took Blockbuster to court because they felt that renting out NES cartridges took away potential sales from the developers (and Nintendo themselves, since they got a cut).  Nintendo lost that trial.

Jake518
Jake518 like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @King9999 That's encouraging information. Let's hope that Sony doesn't go through with this idea but if they do, let's hope they lose in court!

WTBG
WTBG like.author.displayName 1 Like

This is a complete non-issue. The whole industry is going downloadable. It will be better for people who want to play classic games. No more hunting for rare cartridges because all of the classic games will be available in infinite supply with the press of a button. This next gen will probably be the last gen that uses physical media to play games anyway.

DiamondDM13
DiamondDM13

Well, I always buy games new. It doesn't mean I pay full price, but I always buy them at retailers and they must be new, sealed. I know many people buy used, but I personally don't like to. This will not affect me much. However, I do like to borrow games from friends at  times. This could be troublesome. But I can live without it, sense it's rare for me to get real interest in a game that I borrow.

So in the end, I don't mind this that much. However, I would like them to give us the option to experiment games before buying them. We need Demo's of the finished products for all games, to help us decide whether or not the games are worth buying.

 

As for the servers issue. Well, I find it justified to shut down servers when the active users are just not enough to justify the existence. Do you think EA should keep the FIFA 11 servers up and running for 3000 people who play the game online, provided there even are that many gamers playing that game. Games like FIFA, that come out every year, people tend to buy the newest version of the game, and the older versions just loose the players. There is no sense in keeping the servers for those games open for many years...

It is important however, to prevent people from buying online passes and stuff that they can no longer access.

Lance-Marvelous
Lance-Marvelous

i have ps3  wii U xbox 360 &   & i dont really play on line so i dont care   what they do  they just stealing from all of us if the all start to do Crap like this   @Lance-Marvelous 

Daraignall
Daraignall

As far as Sony's new G-cuff (gaming handcuff) goes, I say let the market decide.  If you want to pay, then pay; if you do not, switch platform. (I.e. Xbox, Wii, PC)  When and if their sales slump, they will get the message.

MdoRandoms
MdoRandoms

 @Daraignall 

This is true, but I don't think enough people realize this. I'd rather shoot it down before it gets implemented which I think most people want.

Amorphis2k
Amorphis2k

 @MdoRandoms  Not many people do want it, you're right. However, people are very resistant to change, it's just human nature. You need to look at this could be a positive thing for developers and gamers alike - Indie developers really need as much of the profits from their IP's as the big developers do.

 

Amorphis2k
Amorphis2k

 @Daraignall

 Very well said. People will vote with their wallets. These companies need to understand that it is the gamers that can make or break you in this industry, just ask THQ :P

BigBossWato
BigBossWato

I see the use of such a technology geared more towards government and/or business use  to safe guard against theft sensitive materials for employee or outside theft. if Sony used this Tech in The PS4 it would be suicide it would not be so stupid to implement it in there next system. Another use I could see it being used for is computer software since the use of security ID is already used this would make installing a program a much faster process. 

mrcharrio
mrcharrio

Personally with all the crazy news like, Blocking used games and Microsoft's patent for viewer watching technology, I don't think i want the next gen systems. I will wait and watch what they do way more this time around, avoiding the launch of any system. If they have not screwed the user in an attempt to rob your wallets of another dollar, I wont bother.

Lothos_Delion
Lothos_Delion

Don't care for sony's money grabbing attempt. This will only hurt Sony and the gaming world in the long run. I also worry about the tendency for the always online digital rights management. Guess what happens when they shut down the servers..... You're left without a game.

horizonwriter
horizonwriter

Thank you for rationally and calmly stating the pro's and cons.  Hopefully people can view more commentary on the subject along these lines.

Amorphis2k
Amorphis2k

 @horizonwriter

 Thanks horizonwriter. There's no point getting angry about it, it's better to state the facts that are known and encourage debate on the topic because it is a discussion that needs to be had.

bmart970
bmart970

Very good article, I agree with your points. Sony's new approach to used games is money grabbing, and online gaming, although sometimes very cool, has flaws.

VampireLord123
VampireLord123 like.author.displayName 1 Like

Well I agree on some of the points, i tend to buy my games new no matter what or through digital download. On the broadband connection, I think is just an excuse now days. Sony, Microsoft and bigger companies I think the can handle the minority as irrelevant, there is so many potential consumers i mean seriously, think about Diablo III, they sold more than 10 million copies altogether, with consumers that probably did have internet connection. So do you really think they care about the minority with so many other potential consumers?

 

In the case of kids, i guess you are right they cant afford new games, but consoles are expensive too. Besides you have to think about yourself as well. How many games do you buy a year? how much time do you spent playing games? Do you buy games and never play them? How much money are you willing to spent in games? When things like this are broad up, you have to ask yourself those questions. How devoted are you as a gamer, to understand that buying new games is the only good option. And doing so, might require more responsability in your choices about gaming.

V3rciS
V3rciS

Nice thoughts... I doubt Sony is gonna implement this system. In case they do... it's simple, they lost the battle for next gen. Think about it, first of all as you pointed out, there should be an internet connection always on. Then there are people that are simply renting their games or trading them with friends. Also let's not forget about collectors, people that are collecting their games. With this system on, your collection would be almost meaningless unless you don't use the game and simply buy it to put it on your shelves. Anyway I think won't happen in the end, there's too much at stake!

Styvan
Styvan

If you go to a friend's place, you log in with your account and play. It looks like games are tied to accounts not consoles. Simple enough, ain't it?

Styvan
Styvan like.author.displayName 1 Like

And, sorry if I sound a bit cynical, if you can't afford a new game how did you manage to afford the console? Instead of buying two or three used games, buy one new. One. Two, if a developer doesn't gain from his work, he'll stop developing. Has anyone noticed how games are just "more of the same" every iteration without any improvement? Three: Probabbly, more new games sold will mean a lower price for new ones.

rad8045
rad8045

 @Styvan

 buying new games for me isn't a drama but not being able to sell or trade them when i am finished with them is stupid, every other industry survives with there goods being resold when the owner is finished with them, This idea is just greed, got nothing to do with developers and everything to do with the sony execitives making more money.

blueinheaven
blueinheaven

 @Styvan One: consoles can be bought secondhand too, not just games. And what if the one game you save up for new turns out to be awful? What do you do? Save up for another that may be awful too? Then you're stuck with two terrible games you can't get rid of. It's not an attractive proposition no matter how you look at it and it's been a long, long time since reviews could be used as a reliable buyers guide.

 

Two: if devs want their games to sell they need to make good ones, not bad ones.. People will buy games new if they're really worth having specially from a dev who released a game they really like. They might not risk it if the ban on used games comes in as I said in a post below.

 

Three: I think you're fantasising here. You really think publishers who screw gamers with DLC and drain every last cent they can get out of them are going to lower their prices for any reason? Hell will freeze over first.

Starsailor_IT
Starsailor_IT

I dont think places like Gamestop make games affordable for kids or low-income people in general. At least in Europe they never pay for a used game more than ?10 and they normally sell the new game at the highest possible price (?60 or ?65-70). They of course have a function, allowing people of getting rid of their old games and consoles and making a (small) profit out of it.

Still.. today people really buy games from online stores which offer on average a ?10-20 discount from purchase. This new patent will be a problem if developers will do like Blizzard for Diablo 3, rising the price to something like ?60 for a PC game. At that point consumers should react and make a difference, hopefully.

DarkOne12
DarkOne12 like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Here's the thing. The reason we need the used marked for the developers is because there are people out there that cannot buy new games, they simply don't have the money to shell out the extra money to get it brand new. Also, the thing you have to realize that if there able to start doing this, whats to stop people from not being able to have garage sales? Oh you bought that toaster 10 years ago but if you give it to someone else for 5 bucks then they can't use it? This doesn't make any sense people! In order for a game to become used in the first place that means someone spent the 64 dollars to buy it new, hated it and then brought it back for less then they paid for it. The only thing that the used market does is help people by letting them get the games that their friends have talked them into getting. If the person like the game that they paid 20-40 bucks for, then they will be more eager and perhaps save up money in order to buy the next game the producer makes brand new which will in turn go positive for the produces because their sales will increase! When I was younger I was only able to afford used games, now I am one of the crazy people that stands outside for midnight launches for brand new games and to be honest, hardly ever buy used. This is the way it is for every product in the world except for video games-you pay your money for it.....ITS YOURS! you can do whatever you want with it, if you want to sell it to someone else that's your business and no one else including the manufacturer of the product has any right to tell you any different! If truly hope Sony doesn't open pandora's box on this one....

bdiddytampa
bdiddytampa

 @DarkOne12 I def hear ya, but my problem is that used game companies like gamestop, make more money off the software than the games companies themselves make, and that is not true in ANY other used market. Gamestop, especially in the more recent economic struggles, has posted more profits than several of the biggest game companies combined, standing on the shoulders of giants so to speak. Most of the games being sold out there arent being sold because they suck tho, i don't really agree with you on that, but it is huge for gamers to recoup some of their hard earned money from a 60$ game when they know they aren't gonna play it anymore. 

                       All I can say is I hope that if things do end up like this, game companies can change too. Offer things at a lower price, which theoretically they will be able to do if more of their games are actually being bought from them.  

Amorphis2k
Amorphis2k

 @bdiddytampa  @DarkOne12

 Not trying to be "Devils Advocate" here but there is another industry where the maker or manufacturer doesn't see any of the money if their product is sold privately or even through a dealer and that's cars. People pay an exorbitant amount of money to purchase a new car and then if it's sold privately it's the dealers or even the consumer that reaps the benefits from the used car sale - Not the manufacturer. There are many industries where this is true - What do you think eBay was founded on? There needs to be a used games market because it's a market that keeps bricks and mortar shops in business. Most of the people working in gaming stores are kids so taking away the used games market means these stores are no longer making profits and then kids will lose their jobs. It is true that the developers are not making money with a used game sale but it's the same in so many industries. The gaming industry needs to stop being so precious.  

JustPlainLucas
JustPlainLucas like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

I say this all the time.  The video game industry is the only industry that bitches this much when it comes to a used market... As for the online, I've always felt it as a waste of money, because multiplayer interest dies over time.  When you buy a game years after its release, the single player content is still there waiting for you, but when  you choose multiplayer, it's a ghost town... Funny that some games charge you an online pass after the servers have been shut down... *cues circus music*

Amorphis2k
Amorphis2k

 @JustPlainLucas

 I completely agree. Recently I went online to play Left 4 Dead co-op and there was not a soul. What if the servers for console were run by the hardware developer and we paid a subscription fee to them? We all know how many units Microsoft and Sony have moved (check out my numbers blog for the info). Or even if for PC games there is a separate company paid through subscription to keep the servers online so people can enjoy these older games with other nostalgic fans?

bdiddytampa
bdiddytampa

This is such a tough topic for me, being a developer of sorts, I like to see the profits of my labors, my work needs to pay me so I can pay the bills. Grant it making programs isn't my major bread winner at the moment but if everything works out that's where I want to be, so I can completely see a company's point of view when it comes to copies of their work being sold with nothing being given them at all.. it hurts. But traded and used games have been part of the gaming industry for so long that there are soooo many people that rely on that income for their bills as well, and have for a long time, however right or wrong you feel the practice is, that's the reality. Being mainly a PC gamer I've dealt with the lack of a used game market for a long time, we don't get the same kind of market of used games that console users do, so that wouldn't effect me so much. I purchase pretty much all digital anyway. I really do think there is no easy answer to this whole thing, the last thing you want to do is take away someone's lively hood, but no matter which way you go, someone is out, someone is getting the shaft.  The people that make the game and invest in it deserve their money before anyone, and the benefits would be across the board, like the blog said, but with so many negatives biggest of which is alienating a portion of your loyal customer base (non internet users) its a tough road to travel, no easy answer to this one.  These people work so hard to bring these games out, and a major portion of the sales of their games don't go to them, and I really do think that is wrong. Hate me for it, but if I didn't get paid for my hard work, I'd be pissed too

blueinheaven
blueinheaven

 @bdiddytampa I can completely see your point of view but I think this practice will see a very sharp decrease in 'new' gamers i.e. kids growing up to love games. They will be priced out of it and when they are finally in a position to buy your games new they won't be interested because they never grew up with the bug.

 

I don't know what the answer is, obviously you need to be paid for your work but might I suggest companies stop massively overcharging for their games and bleeding people dry with DLC. It's okay saying you need to be paid but do you need to be paid over and over for the same game via DLC which is already on the disc?

 

Another problem here which is rarely touched upon when the ban on used games argument is discussed is the quality of the games in the first place. So now Sony are telling me if they put out a really crap game and I pay £60 for it I am stuck with it forever and can't get even a portion of that money back by selling it on?

 

Are the devs going to stop pushing out the same IP's over and over and produce only good quality original games now is that the plan? Like hell it is. If there's one area this ban on used games is going to backfire massively, it's this. If people buy even two games brand new that turn out to be rubbish and they have no way of getting at least some of their money back trust me, they won't buy another one.

bdiddytampa
bdiddytampa

 @blueinheaven I 100% agree with you, if companies have to resort to stuff like this to get their investment back, there need to be changes across the board. I'd like to think that if companies can get past some of the tactics they've been using to get paid, they can begin to offer more consistent content at a more reasonable cost, lets face it, the reason a lot of these things started is because they needed a new way to recoup some of their cost if in some cases a majority of people were gonna buy the game used. The problem is the companies have made this common practice now, and no matter what the prospect of how the game is gonna do, day 1 DLC to give people incentive to preorder, and regular small overpriced DLC after launch is now the norm, and it sucks, cuz I don't think thats how things should be run. I think DLC is a great concept, extending the life of a game, and bringing fresh content to die hard fans, but its a misused concept right now. I hope that if companies can recoup more of their expenses, that they can stop these other practices and start to support their games like that either without charge, or by making sure it's actually worth the cost for their customers, but i know that won't be the case for all of them. There will always be people just out to fill their pockets by any means. Hopefully, if things like this from Sony do end up being commonplace, the game companies can change as well. We can always hope I guess lol.

 

Amorphis2k
Amorphis2k

 @bdiddytampa  @blueinheaven

 Hey guys, cheers for the comments. I must admit, I really feel for those developers that are not working for the big development companies and are trying to get at least some sort of market share with a new IP. Unfortunately I see everything moving online with online based games with the hook that part of the game will at least be FTP and then the rest you will need to pay for. This will become especially prevalent if used games are banned because people are always looking for value for money. I'm in the sales industry - Everyone wants a good deal so gaming developers will need to come up with at least something that can hook new gamers into purchasing their products.

24714733
24714733

this is the first time i have read such a long blog and i agree with u. most of the games that i buy r used. only if the game has good MP and an online pass, then only i buy a new game. if this technology is going to be used then i dont know what will happen to me. but i know it wont be good

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