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20Feb 13

 It's no secret that part of what draws us to games are the fact that a lot of them, at least the big-budget titles, can look pretty damn pretty. Sure, like with real life relationships, it's not all about the looks, but Sony's meeting (outside of the streaming hiccups and me almost flinging my laptop in sudden frustration) was very impressive. This thing is going to obviously be way above and beyond what we've console gamers have been playing on for the last eon, and rightfully so.

The thing that kept me impressed was how familiar Sony seemed to be with their target audience. They knew us gamers would be watching this meeting, and potentially crashing their stream. They knew that we wanted to see long dormant franchises return. Sure, there were some flashy things like creative use of light and smart use of multiple screens, but what it came down to, and what they cut to the chase of, was their main event. That was, indeed, the PS4.

As expected, the graphical differences are leaps and bounds above what we have access to with the PS3 and X Box 360. What impressed me was not only the social aspects, but how creative the system lets you be, even if you're not very tech savvy (I'm more into creating than code writing myself). The social aspects are impressive, including watching what other friends are playing and having an option to lend a hand if needed. There are impressive feats that were featured, but they do kind of feed into the paranoia of required internet connections to play anything on the system.

Sure, at this point I'm biased. I had my X Box 360 for years, but didn't feel completely comfortable gaming until I got my Playstation 3. I'm excited to see what Microsoft has to show off as well, but as of now, my money's staying with Sony.

55 comments
DJKrayz_basic
DJKrayz_basic

I didn't see 'leaps and bounds' of an increase in visuals.. im sure it was better, no doubt, but looking at games like Last of Us and the Uncharted series, not to mention a game like Ni No Kuni, and to me, the graphical leap takes a back seat to all the social aspects Sony is going for.. Granted the Killzone demo looked pretty good, not that the game itself interests me, and Watch Dogs was my most wanted title that was shown off but I am most interested in leaps and bounds improvement to the games' AI and immersion.. Believability is not always better visuals...

I didnt experience any hiccups in the stream, though i didnt have time to watch it all at the time of showing..I felt too much talking kinda dulled it for me. either way, like the rest of us, i think we need to see and hear more...

nate1222
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"...how familiar Sony seemed to be with their target audience. They knew us gamers would be watching this meeting..."

When you say "target audience" you mean: "Sony fanboys". I'm a long time gamer (since 14, am 37 now), who adored the PS1 and PS2, and I was not impressed.

DiamondSlicer
DiamondSlicer

'(outside of the streaming hiccups and me almost flinging my laptop in sudden frustration)'

I thought I was the only one experiencing this. I was about to rage and shout from my window in the middle of the night.

RedLegZeff
RedLegZeff

I definitely like how sony is headed. Making things more accessible for dev's, talking to more core audiences in this conference, not going all motion or touch gaming with pure gimmick. I didn't really see a system selling game though. Killzone looked pretty cool, but most of the other stuff that interested me was multiplatform. Anyway, enabling dev's with hardware is what sony should do, and if they do that they'll eliminate a lot of the problems of the ps3 generation.

burrito_tester
burrito_tester

"but as of now, my money's staying with Sony."  I like this guy already

starduke
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It seems to me...

*puts on sunglasses*

That Sony has a few bombs to drop...

*does cartwheel*

Before I'm impressed.

WTBG
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"As expected, the graphical differences are leaps and bounds above what we have access to with the PS3 and X Box 360." WTF are you talking about? I thought the visuals were extremely underwhelming.

rannoni
rannoni

@WTBG  

As bad_gamers83 stated, it is the ops opinion. and i must ask u if u can tell me where to find fire, smoke and explosions that we saw on that event? + if u look for hd screenshots of kz 4 u can clearly see how much detail there is in the clothes and so on... peace

bluefox755
bluefox755

@WTBG gamersyde.com, download the 1080p Watch Dogs video, and tell me you're not impressed.

surferosh
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@WTBG blame that on the stream i suppose.. thats what i did.. i thought the visuals looked good on the stream and imagined them how they'd be in real time.. besides, loved the new design path Killzone was taking as i have got really bored and tired of the browns, greys and shadows in most FPS and RPGs...

Bad_Gamers83
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@WTBG Why do people argue with people's opinions?  This isn't a conversation, but merely an observation.  We all have our views, yadda yadda yadda, just wish people would stop trying to kill others' excitement.

cinerius
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I hope the Ps4 will be to the Ps3 what the Ps2 has been to the Ps1

travo0159
travo0159

@cinerius I know what you mean, it was like the ps2 became the successor to the ps1 and took the center stage, then the ps3 came along and took the spot of the ps2 and expanded the way we play. Now we've been pretty comfortable for some time now and all of a sudden the ps4 will be out this year and we have to ask ourselves "is the ps4 gonna take the place of the ps3"?

Treadstone86
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@cinerius That would be amazing, but much of that is in the dev's hands.  Game libraries>hardware/features.

James_Mason
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Am I the only one who finds this extremely dumb. I mean , the whole appeal of the AC games to me was to learn and live trough history and be in stuff that made sense in that context, with a conspiracy theory twist and sci-fi elements thrown in for good measure.

Just goofing around rewriting history for kicks seems like it's overall a bad idea , even if it's "non-canon"... It's not like history was not rich enough with villans and enemies that would have made sense , why make Georges Washington the bad guy... Just for shock value..

Basically, make it canon and make it coherent and i'll buy it...




Sefrix
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 The fact that they even mentioned indie developers nonetheless multiple times and had one on stage presenting speaks volumes to their target audience. Hardcore titles like Killzone and Infamous, etc. Indie games and creative games all into one. Seems they are planning on taking the best years of the PS3 and making it even better on the PS4.

I (as in me personally) imagine Microsoft's will feature COD, Madden, and maybe AC. Quite the difference if you ask me.

surferosh
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@Sefrix  dude, you forgot HALO and Gears of War.. the two games Xboxers world over swear by all the time.. 

also the presence of Blizzard on stage was a HUGE coup for Sony.. that in itself speaks volumes of what  they are trying to accomplish here.. attracting more devs is absolutely vital to any platform's success.. and Blizzard's re-entry to the console world is a huge Thing.. they already have Valve in the fray and though Big Gabe was not very impressed with the PS3 i am sure he still prefers PSN over Xbox Live.. 

Sefrix
Sefrix ranger

@surferosh True I did forget about that. I'm really basing this off how they view their player base as well as their E3s. Sony focuses on exclusives while Microsoft shows off a lot of multiplatforms.

megas1205
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If Microsoft still charges me for Xbox Live, I'm getting a PS4.

surferosh
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@megas1205  i think MS will continue their pricing model for Live and i am confident Sony will continue use of PSN and online game play for free but will have PSPlus for other premium services.

timdogg42069
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I think something that would be cool if one of your friends was playing a game and happened to be stuck if you could only be invited in to help them through to next checkpoint or level and only had like 2 or 3 limited times you could do it before you were locked out without actually owning the game, I think that would also increase sales because it would be awesome to experience games with a friend and then have the need and want to play it more causing you to go buy it but only if you liked of course.  I don't know but it seems like a kind of cool concept.

pokecharm
pokecharm

I have yet to watch/read anything just yet...must go do so ;)

Ovirew
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Bad_Gamers83 I'm not sure if we watched the same 2-hour event last night, but I sure didn't feel like Sony knew what their target audience wanted.

I think the game industry just decided that they want to kill off used game sales and kill off discs altogether if they can, since it would benefit them and basically do away with the middle-man.  And it sounds like everything could be always-online, which I am a huge critic of.

Most of their focus was on social networking.  I can't think of too many people who needed or wanted this.  Sony did it because they wanted to.  Just like Nintendo gave us waggle controls with the Wii, and Microsoft invaded their system with advertisements.  They decided that's what we wanted, even if we didn't.

Sure, it's cool that the system boots up immediately when you press the 'ON' button.  And it's neat that you can start playing a game that is in the midst of downloading.  But it feeds into the immediacy of the now generation, that lacks patience.  Did it bother everyone to wait a couple of seconds for their game system to start up, and their games to load, before?  I don't think it really did.  Not that these features aren't cool and a step in the right direction, but I just feel like they could have focused their energy on something gamers care more about.

My first impression of the PS4 wasn't that great.

surferosh
surferosh

@Ovirew Sony head honcho has confirmed that you do NOT have to be online to play the games.. it can be used off line for games that can be played off line.. and that is a decision game publishers make, not the consoler manufacturer.. yes i am looking at you Diablo 3 and upcoming Sim City... 

Treadstone86
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@Ovirew One of the biggest criticisms of the Playstation 3 when compared to the 360 has been related to the social aspects.  Sony simply responded to that. There are two areas that really hurt them in sales last generation:  Initial price and "My friends have an Xbox, so I'll buy one too."  They addressed those things.

I'm a little confused with your expectations for the reveal.  Should they have gone up there and said things like, "We still will have an awesome Playstation Plus service and we still own Naughty Dog and Sucker Punch"?  There's also no need to add criticisms for things like used game sales and needing to always be online when they are simply rumored (and it has been confirmed that the PS4 will play used games).  Criticize the idea of those things.  Criticize the system IF it confirms those things.  Don't criticize the reveal and the system when they didn't even touch those topics.

They are going to point out the features that are new.  That is what these things are about.  Are they needed or even that important?  Absolutely not, but it's not that surprising.

OB_Shah
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yep exactly thats whats pissing me off every body camplain that PS3 isnt as interactive as 360 and now sony focus on being Interactive with your friends and game rather then just making it a power house  like then did with PS3 and now people are naging that we dont want a social interactive system then what will it take to make them happy and stop all the camplains

Sefrix
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@Ovirew Sorry you have that opinion but next time try to not speak for everyone but instead just yourself. I hope you come to enjoy one of the new console offerings :)

OB_Shah
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My My,  you  complain a lot what where you looking foy My Highness, A custom made console just for YOU by Sony? Tell us what would have made you happy. LOL and we will beg sony to make a custom made Console for you 

Manji14
Manji14

I didn't see any innovation gameplay wise. I don't see how anybody can get excited about 10K more polygons. 

surferosh
surferosh

@Manji14  well, time to come down to earth man.. that is the natural progression of any digital media industry.. more polygons is what gets u the amazing looking stuff !!!!   interactivity, immersion etc depends on the game devs themselves..

blueinheaven
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@Manji14 What were you expecting? If every PS4 game is proper 1080p that alone will be a massive leap.

It's too early to comment on the actual games. You can't tell anything from a short clip.

Imperiusmax
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If its one thing Sony has got , its style. 

I am looking forward to the PS4 already.

rylee
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Sony noted a number of titles that certainly covered most bases, and ticked the right boxes for expanded community connectivity. I'm not sure what else people expected from them at this point in time?

It was a decent presentation that clearly explained the basis of their PS strategy for the immediate future. No doubt they have a range of game and tech announcements still to come, plus pricing and the actual console design, which likely won't be revealed for a short period.

I'm interested in gaming, so am keen to see what both Sony and Microsoft see as the next generation of consoles.

xxBenblasterxx
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Those games they showed were very impressive indeed, just what i think we all wanted to see from the coming next-gen (especially that beautiful 'gameplay' Deep Down footage), I think there were a few rough edges to the whole thing (the new dual shock isn't exactly pretty) but they got until this coming holiday season to sort those out. 

The ball is very much in Microsoft's court now though, exciting times ahead indeed! 

But even from what I've seen i think my money will still be staying with Microsoft if they can at least deliver on-par with sony. 

Blanka13
Blanka13

not impressed too :(  now i have my hopes for new xbox

Sefrix
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@Blanka13 If you're looking for a huge exponential improvement in specs you won't find them in consoles. The PS3 launch again proved that people will not buy an expensive console in droves. My gaming laptop (not top of the line) cost $950, a console would never sell at that price. So instead they make new ways to play games so they remain relevant which is what they have been, and are doing.

Gazdakka
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I wasn't all that impressed. Besides the streaming aspect and the Vita compatibility - neither of which we know will be good or reliable, the rest of the presentation was pretty dull and boring. There was no assurance in my mind that what we were seeing was next-generation material. I doubt any PC owner feels particularly bereft at this time.

nonfanboygamer1
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Funny thing, I hated the social aspects

Zid96
Zid96

@nonfanboygamer1 Hey me to:) Iv never been like hey guy can i watch you play a game. 

In the end this is a FAIL to me. Only good part was know'in all game will look like (heavy rain).

NeonNinja
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I've reached the point in my life where new console hardware is no longer impressive.  PS4?  Big deal.  WiiU?  I don't care.  New Xbox?  Meh.  I can wait and keep on waiting.

shingui5
shingui5

@NeonNinja so you're not interested in anything new. So what are you waiting for exactly?

NeonNinja
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@shingui5 @NeonNinja

Stupid reply.

The hardware is meaningless until I see the software that can prompt a purchase. So like I said, I'm at the point where new hardware is not impressive. And until I see the kind of games I want I can wait and keep waiting.

Anything else you'd like to remark on?

blueinheaven
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@NeonNinja I think he/she wanted clarification of what you were saying. I'm in the same boat, couldn't care less what the hardware can or can't do I'll buy one if/when I see some games I really want to play.

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