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17Feb 13

It's not a very bright time for Nintendo's new console.  People burned on the Wii have since turned their backs on Nintendo, and those who never got behind Nintendo are laughing even louder.  The Wii U had a good enough launch as far as libraries went, with some big name third-party titles like Mass Effect 3 and Assassin's Creed 3, and for once in a very long time, it actually had a Mario title right alongside with it.  Finally displaying in high-definition and incorporating standard analogue sticks and face buttons into their controller (not to mention releasing a traditional Pro Controller), things looked good for Nintendo.  This had the makings for the best Nintendo system yet.  

So what's going wrong?  On November 18th, 2012, why were you able to walk into a store and pluck one off the racks?  Why were you able to go to Amazon.com or any number of retail websites and not see the "Out of Stock" status for the Wii U?  Why were they going for just about the same as the retail price on eBay?  Why were the casuals, who Nintendo targeted so vehemently last generation, so clueless that the Wii U was even out?  Why don't people want a Wii U?

It's obvious where they went wrong.  Personally, I attribute the major problem to the Wii U's slow start by simply naming it the Wii U, and not the Wii 2.  People see Wii U and they think, "Is it an add-on?"  They look at the Wii U and see the console pretty much looks just like the Wii.  Then they see the tablet controller and think, "Oh, yeah it is.  300 dollars for a tablet controller?  No thanks."  The entire concept of the machine was wrong from the very start, I even remember Reggie and Co. trying so hard to explain what it was all about last E3.  Oh yeah, and the fact that Nintendo probably spend $23.50 on advertising didn't help them at all.  

Everyone should know by now that the Wii U is moving dreadfully slow.  It managed to move around 55,000 units last month.  Bad news keeps rolling in with game delays and cancelations.  EA Sports announcing that they will cease support is a major blow, and it's a blow I'd like to focus on.  The reason being is that the Dreamcast was hurt severely by a similiar announcement, that being EA would not support the Dreamcast.  

That's just one of a few parallels I'd like to mention with the Wii U and Dreamcast.  The second is that both the DC and the Wii U released within about a year before stronger, larger competition released their offerings.  Consumer faith wasn't there for the DC because of Sega's past mistakes.  Sega finally got everything right with the Dreamcast, and it should have definitely had a longer life than it did, but people had enough of Sega.  The CD, the 32X, the Saturn.  Nintendo's burned a lot of people in present years, and that exact same shortage of consumer faith is present in the Wii U.  Also, this really has nothing to do with anything, but both consoles had screens in the middle of their controllers.  *cues Twilight Zone theme*

"But the Wii U's only been out a few months!  Give it some time!"  Ahh, now see, this is where I think Nintendo will fair better than Sega.  Nintendo knows how to ride the storm.  They can last like a nomad crossing the desert with just a bottle of water.  They know they have enough loyal Nintendo fans that will buy their first party titles, and they know the systems will once again start moving when the big guns come out.  The Wii U isn't doomed, but it sure as hell is a long long ways away from succeeding.  

What matters most, though, is how much they can control the damage this generation.  If they somehow manage to put out games slow enough for even the most die hard Nintendo fan, they might lose even more consumer faith.  They need to rethink their focus immediately and work as hard as they can to get third party support back, because at this rate, Nintendo fans will be bored waiting for first party titles.  They've got to start spending more money and create more internal game studios to keep that supply going.  If they start building momentum this holiday season and continue to build it into next year, the Wii U will be alright.  If not, Nintendo will just have to do what they can until next gen and try once more.  

I have no crystal ball, but the way I see it, this in no way is Nintendo's last console system.  Depending on how well or how horribly this does, it will determine whether or not Nintendo's NEXT system will be their last one.  People think that if Nintendo fails this generation, that's it for them, because unlike Sony and MS, they have nothing else to fall back on.  Well, Nintendo's doing just fine in the handheld business, so they'll be okay, at least for one more generation.  

Will the Wii U suffer the same fate as the Dreamcast?  No, it won't.  But the very fact that thought is on our minds is quite worrisome indeed.

348 comments
hotdiddykong
hotdiddykong

In my personal opinion, Utility is the better option, and so far, the one thing Nintendo does best is make the best use of what they have to their full potential in creativity, Nintendoland for example has a gorgeous artsyle despite seeing what the PS3 and 360 have done  in their lifetimes. And Metroid Prime still looks good compared to some shooters of Today and that was only Unreal engine 2.5.


The Wii U will honestly be fine as long as Nintendo keeps the support and encourages the 3rd Parties

hotdiddykong
hotdiddykong

Another thing, while Nintendo does indeed have nothing to "Fall back on", their mission and pledge was to stay in gaming and keep making it for the better and bringing new experiences and  anyways they apparently have Money in the Bank that will last them 25 years of Failure

badwedgie00
badwedgie00

I'd really like to see Sega get back into the hardware business and make the Dreamcast-2.  After all these years I still love my Dreamcast as much as I like my PS3.

JustPlainLucas
JustPlainLucas

@badwedgie00 I would definitely love to see that.  They make quirky ass games, but they're awesome nonetheless. 

ALG_82
ALG_82

although nintendo first got me into gaming with the original NES many many years ago, I turned my back on them a long time ago. As I got older and my taste in games changed, nintendo just stayed the same. The same can be said for their inferior technology. Compared to the other consoles available, it seems like they fall flat everytime. Much like everything else, in order to remain successful in todays world, you have to adapt and evolve and never settle for what is but strive for what can be. Nintendo deserves to fall out (not just the wii poo but as a whole) if they are always going to make sub-par crap with sub-par crap kiddie titles.   

Toxic-Seahorse
Toxic-Seahorse

@ALG_82 Your comment is funny because the Wii was the most successful console this gen. Your entire talk about having to evolve the remain successful is moot because of that one point. Both the DS and the 3DS are behind hardware wise, yet they're huge successes. Nintendo is successful, yet you say they shouldn't be. Your entire argument is invalid.

Change_MyShorts
Change_MyShorts

"Sega finally got everything right with the Dreamcast, and it should have definitely had a longer life than it did, but people had enough of Sega."

The Dreamcast was out 9/9/99 in North America and Sega announced cancelation January of 2001. The Dreamcast did great for being out just barely over a year and having the PS2 competing and Xbox/Gamecube in the wings.

I agree Wii U is failing; however, the Dreamcast would have done well had Sega not pulled the plug.

csward
csward

As much as I like their classics, Nintendo is also way behind in online connectivity, e-store interface, friend system, story telling (way too childish, lacks voice acting, facial animations), gameplay (rehashed old games like DK, Kirby, New! Mario) ect. Their first party titles on Wii (imho) played and looked last gen. Now Nintendo makes their system much harder to support for 3rd parties than the Wii was and I am quite concerned. Not to mention no killer app that I am excited for.

csward
csward

Nintendo does have 3DS profits to fill their coffers until the Wii U turns around. Sega's Game Gear and Nomad I believe had died out by the time of Dreamcast's launch IIRC, plus they had a bad generation with the Saturn prior to that and a bunch of money sunk into gimmicky peripherals for the Genesis.

Still, quite worrisome, like the 3DS was before the massive price cut.

csward
csward

Dude! I was saying this very same thing to my brother tonight. Great post!

The tablet is a big problem. I bought a Wii U and returned it because (in part) the tablet is way to heavy for extended play sessions and I'm a 27 year old man that does manual labor for a living. Now think about a kid playing the Wii U.

666NightsInHell
666NightsInHell

Every console sux vs pc and every will rot soooner or later, pc is like rpg game where u can all the time upgrade for ur needs, can live years on pc without any upgrade and play  ALL games and not even just play but can do anythingm and everything looks super better thenin  consoles where u stuck and need to wait for next gen console to do something better and play good looking games like on pc, consoles for ppl with small iq or very for young kids, who cant understand more then push and play! Im playing console games on android super cheap phone, i not need huge box at home for that!

ALG_82
ALG_82

@666NightsInHell speaking of low IQ, whens the last time you ran a spell-checker before posting bullshit?

kbaily
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I love that within the few months when a new console launches and sales slow after Christmas, everyone immediately says "it's the next Dreamcast! It's the next Dreamcast!" This happened when the 360 launched and didn't get a killer app until Gears of War a year later and oh how long the PS3 limped along the first few years.

badwedgie00
badwedgie00

Remember the Power Glove gimmick? Wii-U (is U for UGLY) just might go the way of the Power Glove.  But M$ AND $ony just might nuke themselves by prohibiting the use of secondhand games.

zpluffy
zpluffy

Ninten DO re mi FA---iled !!!



Junior_AIN
Junior_AIN

With the constant rise of smartphones Nintendo should watch out their leading spot in handheld business.

JustPlainLucas
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@Junior_AIN Call me crazy, but I honestly think they should take a shot at making a phone of their own.  

badwedgie00
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@JustPlainLucas @Junior_AIN Actually, that's not a bad idea.  Nintendophone?

JustPlainLucas
JustPlainLucas

@badwedgie00 @JustPlainLucas @Junior_AIN I was thinking something like Nintenphone.  But yeah, imagine a GameBoy shaped (obviously not that big) Android phone with the ability to play Virtual Console games right out of the box.  Of course, Nintendo will make you pay to download the games again... -_-

badwedgie00
badwedgie00

BTW, I still have my old Dreamcast. I had some great memories tied to it. It cheered me up after dumping some ditzy girl.  I still have some great games on it like Soul Calibur, Skies of Arcadia, and Grandia.  I'll play it on occassion. It needs no firmware updates, it boots up faster than the Wii-U, and it plays emulated games from long ago (SNES, NES, Genesis, etc). It's a super solid system. It can even play movies burned a particular way. Dreamcast is not dead for me, but quite a novel console with many uses.

badwedgie00
badwedgie00

But, to Nintendo's credit, the Wii-U's initial release included games that were "heavy-hitters" on other consoles -- Batman Arkham City, Assassin's Creed to name a few. However, since gamers already enjoyed those titles from other consoles, it was nothing to wow the crowds.  Nintendo desperately needs to pull a big rabbit out of its hat. A sexy, female main character in a tasteful, mature setting with great gameplay and plenty of action reminiscent of Infamous or Arkham Asylum would be a terrific starter. Mr. Miyamoto needs to crank the proverbial gears in his head into great speed; got Alzheimer's, Miyamoto-san? I've got a few ideas of my own.

For example, start with a beautiful, female character with flowing blonde hair and blue eyes. Her main objective is to rid her world of a great evil. The evil is not what anyone expects. Enable her with basic melee powers, learning different techniques after fulfilling specific conditions. Have permanent upgrades given after completing certain missions, each one granting her fearsome, elemental powers in the form of armors which can be combined / mixed to convey even more abilities. For example, after acquiring fire and earth powers, she can combine them to become a Thunder goddess that yells out, "Thunder! Thunder! Thunder!" With the correct combination of eye candy, control mechanics, and gameplay it would make an awesome game. Give it a good backstory and you've got yourself a million-seller. 

CaptainGamespot
CaptainGamespot

it probably will not. it will probably be gamecubed instead...but being dreamcasted is possible.

Swift_Dodger23
Swift_Dodger23

Wii U just seems like a slightly upgraded Wii, not a new console. We'll have to wait until Nintendo releases it's next console before we can predict Mario's future.

Honestly though, Apple should just purchase Nintendo.. Would open up so many opportunities for both companies, think about it.

tlhInganMaH
tlhInganMaH like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

I really don't understand why you folks post your thoughts and comments on these boards like yours is the only one that is right. I am a firm believer in the phrase "different strokes for different folks". If you don't like Nintendo/their systems then that's fine for you. But why bash them or their fanbase? Which i am proudly part of. I am not a fan of Microsoft, but i for sure don't trash them or the folks who like them. Maybe someday we will all get along and get back to the way (i feel) we should be playing games. For fun and enjoyment.  Good day, everyone! :)

a140lbstud
a140lbstud

@tlhInganMaH

The reason is simple.

Most if us use to be big Nintendo fans. We owned the nes, snes, n64 then we found out that the consol we grew up with never grew up.

I mean I have played wii Mario games. They looked no better than my good old Mario 64.

tlhInganMaH
tlhInganMaH

@a140lbstud Well  i can't speak for anyone else but i am still a BIG Nintendo fan. Always have been and always will. And i still own every one of those consoles you named and use them often. And just because i grew up does not mean my taste in games have to. I proudly play more E and T Rated games then i do M Rated. But, its like i said in my other post. To each their own. :)

thequickshooter
thequickshooter

screw you, the dreamcast back in a day was 10 times better then that cashgrab Wii U 

basicly the dreamcast is slightly less powerfull then the ps2, but they discontiued it's games after a couple of year (2003 i think?) 

the Wii U is nothing but another wii which just falls behind it's rivals (sony and m$) just waiting to be crushed by the next gen's games and specs 

RossRichard
RossRichard

Actually, Nintendo isn't doing that great in the handheld business. Not anymore, anyway.

GSJones1994
GSJones1994

@RossRichard Uh, Nintendo is still fine in the handheld business, thank you very much.  They still have the 3rd party support for their handhelds, and this market is the reason why Nintendo was able to survive the N64 and GC eras.  The GBA sold over 80 million units, the DS has just been named the best-selling game console of all time, selling almost 160 million units, and the 3DS is a a comfortable 30 million+ right now, which is 15x as many PSVitas sold.

killa32130
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@RossRichard 

153.67M Ds sold.

30M 3DS sold and rising, dunno how that isn't great.

pozium
pozium

@RossRichard They are topping the hand held business in asian countries, particularly japan, and in the uk. They are primarily the most sorted hand held device now (even over the psvita). Not to mention that in japan, people play more on handheld than on consoles

Ayato_Kamina_1
Ayato_Kamina_1

Remember that at launch the PS3 was retailing for £400, the xbox for about £300 (iirc) and then the Wii came along at £180... that was a MAJOR factor in the success of the Wii. But with the increase in price that they charge for the Wii U, coupled with what is rumoured to be a £300 starting price for the PS4, you're looking at less of a value for money. There is just no reason to buy the Wii U in lieu or as well as a PS4. I wouldn't say it's doomed, but it will not be very successful.

pozium
pozium

@Ayato_Kamina_1 apart from that, most people are waiting for the ps4 and xbox 720 unveiling to know which console to buy exactly. Thats why the WiiU has to gather third party supporters quickly so as to have a solid lineup of launch games. Coupled with their own games, the WiiU would be really strong. Its sales didnt help the fact that people had to download an 8gb patch just after buying it. They have to realize that they need real support from other developers and one thing that theyve done right is by suiting up bayonetta 2 for it. But when would it be released? would I have to wait a year for such solid third party game ?

Ayato_Kamina_1
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@pozium @Ayato_Kamina_1 Very fair point, then you look at what happened with Rayman Legends. Started as an exclusive, but has been put back to a multi-platform release. Things like that just undermine the appearance of Nintendo as being a genuine console contender. 

But yes, only a fool would buy a Wii U right now without having seen what lies in wait from Sony and Microsoft. 

gregrout
gregrout

Nintendo's biggest issue is trying to convince 3rd party game developers to take the plunge on the Wii-U. The problem with all these mergers in the gaming industry, is a single massive company like EA can have a big impact. The whole Origin / Wii-U feud and following black listing by EA aside, there's a number of big releases coming out like Grand Theft Auto, Bioshock Infinite, Splinter Cell, Tomb Raider, Destiny (2014), etc... and there's a HUGE goose egg for the Wii-U. With NEW consoles being released so close together (in console terms), why not hold out for the X-Box 720 or PS4? This coupled with major defections from Nintendo's camp so early into the console's life spells trouble for Nintendo.   

thequickshooter
thequickshooter

@gregrout what it needs is not third party you can get on xbox 

it NEEDS exclusives nintendo 3D HD games 

not that bullshit super mario U 

pozium
pozium

@thequickshooter @gregrout It needs all put-together to gather up more followers. Big companies like EA, Activition, and so on sell million of copies of their games and having they on their side is a big plus. Also, having new or revived titles would help.Quite frankly, I'm tired of seeing Mario (and I'm happy that they have other titles like Donky Kong, Lugi's Mansion, etc coming up) but they need new unique IPs

moviequest14
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It seems everyone forgets how abysmal 3ds was doing this time in it's system life. Everyone was talking about how 3ds would be the end of Nintendo. And anyone with half a brain that looked at the sales at the time would agree , but look where 3ds is now? Absolutely dominating. It seems everyone forgets that .. whether for good or bad , launches almost NEVER predict how well a console will sell over time. Nintendo just got through announcing a first party lineup that almost anyone has to admit is , even though not particularly fresh , quite solid... it's highly possible an entirely new ip will be announced at e3. It seems 3rd party support is at least decent. As I said with 3ds , let the first wave (or lack thereof) pass and then pass judgement on the system. It might be a huge success , it might be a failure , I don't know either way... but I do know , from any knowledge of the 3ds and past systems , it's not accurate to judge the system yet.

trdrstv
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@moviequest14  "It seems everyone forgets how abysmal 3ds was doing this time in it's system life. "

They also seem to forget how dismal the 360 and PS3 were at this point in their life. The 360 didn't get legs until it's second Christmas and the PS3 didn't find them until it's 3rd. 

risseer23
risseer23

The novelty of motion controls has wore off as well.When Wii launched it was new and at the time a trend.With every trend it fades away,that and the fact it does not offer anything beyond our 7-6 year old consoles.WiiU is a bad name,it sound's like a add on just as the poster said.

trigger_cross93
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I dunno what people were expecting.  Nintendo has been ignored by third parties since the n64.  Lets mention that the n64 was much stronger than psone, and gamecube was stronger than ps2.  I don't think console power has ever been the issue for Nintendo...  I think it all depends on price, and Nintendo might be one price cut away this holiday from dominating this war...

If, and I mean if, Sony charges a large amount of money, like 500 dollars, this holiday for the ps4...what is gonna look more attractive?...

A Wii U with possibly a new mario kart, AND a new 3d Mario would look alot more appealing than an expensive ps4 this holiday season...

That's just my 2 cents...


badwedgie00
badwedgie00

@trigger_cross93 But what if those gamers do not want any more Mario Kart, but more Gears of War or Halo or Mass Effect?  If no other people other than diehard Big-N fanboys are anxious to play Nintendo's latest regurgitated offerings, then even Samus Aran fully divested of modesty as the reward for achieving 100% in the latest and greatest Metroid will not sway the mass of public opinion towards Nintendo favorably.

risseer23
risseer23

Well WiiU has nothing going for it,first off why on earth do i want to buy another console with the same level of graphics,i been dealing with for 6 years?Ps4 won't cost 500 dollars more like 400 if so that's only 100-50 more then what the WiiU retails for.I know a lot of Nintendo fanboys are upset.I don't think it's doom and gloom yet,Ps3 was like that for a couple of years then it took off for the most part.

Will the WiiU outsell the Wii?No.Nintendo needs to do two things,price cut and more first party games that's what happened with Ps3.

Balanceless
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@risseer23 This is wrong in a few ways.  First of all, the speculation *is* that there will be a base model PS4 close to $450, and then a premium model at, yes, $500.  We'll know more today.

Moreover, even with today's level of graphic power, the Wii U has something major going for it - it renders in 1080p.  This actually places it at a nice step above the current gen systems which render in 720p and then upscale.

They definitely need to expand the library, but I doubt we'll see a price cut before Christmas of this year.

trigger_cross93
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@Balanceless @risseer23  I doubt we will see a price cut as well, but people expecting a huge leap in graphical power are gonna be disappointed.  I do believe the next xbox and ps4 will be more powerful, but not like how it was this generation...

I just think Nintendo is in an interesting situation and it depends on how the others price their systems...

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