@biggest_loser @Faramir535 I don't compere games with real life, they have their own realities, what matters is that "can a game create its own reality and obey to its rules". For Tomb Raider, the realism in game is good enough. CoD is not anywhere near realistic as gameplay, but it's fun, not for me but obviously, for its fans.

@Smokescreened84 @Saketume Hard to believe a little pair of digital video game boobies spawned this much philosophical discussion

@Smokescreened84

"The way sex appeal is done in the media is terrible, males tend to be bland and generic, designed to be little more than a mass of muscles with little to no emotions and a lot of anger, women as weak, needing some male to save them"

I'm sorry I don't recognize that image from games and more often than not in other media either (movies, comicbooks etc).

Women are usually ridiculously powerful and independent and are often shown to outsmart men. Something I rarely see in real life but always in media.

 Male protagonists are scarcely stupid either.

I certainly don't recognize any of this in Lara Croft.

And I don't know where you got the idea that she's so "free and willing to spread her legs on demand".

I think the issue lies with you and not the games.

As for bouncing breasts in games I'd say it's more common that they don't move at all than that they bounce too much.

I don't hear you complaining about that even though it's unrealistic.

As for the games where they do, such as the DoA series you mentioned, where is the harm? It's made for guys. Guys like to see girl parts move. Oh the horror!!

Anyway I'm tired of discussing this.

Sex is harmless, games are harmless, breasts are harmless and men find women attractive regardless of the size of their boobs.

Stop taking everything so seriously. You'll feel better.

@Saketume @Smokescreened84 I got fed up of stereotypes back in the 1990s when I was a teen, I found them limiting and generic.

Have you seen the kinds of comments and remarks from male gamers, especially on this site, when it comes to female leads?  Many of the comments have me wondering if the gene pool was diluted.

The way sex appeal is done in the media is terrible, males tend to be bland and generic, designed to be little more than a mass of muscles with little to no emotions and a lot of anger, women as weak, needing some male to save them from whatever or done in a physical development that makes me think of super models, which aren't exactly a good notion of womanhood when you consider the things super models do to themselves and how much such things are enforced.

I find a sex appeal angle disturbing, especially when it comes to the kind of sex appeal done - like women being shown to be 'free' and 'willing' to spread their legs on demand, that isn't a very good message to say when it comes to the female half of the species, that women are supposed to be willing to spread their legs when some male says so, it's horrible.

With males I don't like the notion of every male having to be some kind of muscle bound beefcake, I find over muscly males to be pretty hideous.  I value intellect over physical strength.

With the wide variety of human body types then the enforcement with sex appeal as to how to look and be doesn't allow for any of that natural difference, it ends up as yet another attack on self confidence and self esteem on people who can't be that kind of ideal look.

Being bi-sexual, then I find an average or slightly plump, but not over plump, frame to be pretty attractive on males and females, I find super skinny, like the usual kind shown on females, and super muscly - like those on males - to be unattractive.

And breasts aren't a sex thing, they're just there to feed a young child after the child is born, they are not intended for sex, yet so much of the media shows breasts as things for sex while looking down on breast feeding.

Developers have an unhealthy obsession with a female character's breasts by making them bigger and bigger with increased bounce far too often, it's frankly disturbing.

@Smokescreened84

I guess I don't mind stereotypes as much as you do.

The reason women find muscular tall men with firm butts attractive is because it represents a healthy individual.

The same is true for women with wide hips and firm breasts.

But would you mind explaining why you think it's so bad with breasts and sex appeal? Where's the problem really?

Why is it so bad that men find the game heroine attractive?

@pal_080 I'm just stating my distaste for developers and many male gamer's obsession with large breasts, it's tiresome.

Most games don't exactly give a hero you can identify with if you're a female gamer though, most are the usual stereotypical male.

That's one of the reasons why I love games that allow for playing as a blank slate female character, that way I can create the character myself as I play instead of hoping that a game's writers have actually done some decent character development for a change.

A good character needs flaws, something lacking in many game characters.

@Smokescreened84  You know most games try and create a hero you can identify with on some level, not some ultra being that has no flaws as the kind of hero you describe, now THAT'S boring.

And why are you so fixated on breast size?  Seriously your posts are just becoming creepy.

@Saketume @Smokescreened84 I've played the older games, aye they are fantasy, but if she were a real adventurer she would be looking for better support so that her breasts aren't a bother for her while exploring tombs and such.

Realism is usually boring in games, it's rare that realism works well.  What I like from what I've seen of this Tomb Raider is that for all of her capabilities she isn't perfect, which is good to see.

I'm not male, I just feel that developer notions of women with big breasts being the only way women should be to be very immature, while there are women in real life with big breasts and thin frames, they are not the same as every other woman in the world.

The notion with developers and many male gamers that women should all be big breasted and skinny tends to be a pretty bad message, it's like the message towards males that they should all be muscle bound beef cakes with limited intellects.

Seeing this new Lara looking like less of a large busted female lead for once and instead looking quite average is very nice to see and refreshing to see, especially after last year's Dead Or Alive 5 with the very large breasted women in that game, and the over the top bouncing and wobbling in their skimpy outfits.

Now if more developers could design a female lead who doesn't come across as some fantasy ideal, then perhaps gaming might take a step towards maturity in regards of how women are portrayed and accepted in the industry.

@Smokescreened84

I disagree that a woman with large breasts automatically is demoted to a sex symbol like you suggest.

There are many women with small frames and large breasts. If they want to go for breast reduction surgery that is of course their choice. Most however do not.

However I do not think old Lara had that extreme a bossom as you suggest. Definitely smaller than that tennis player.

 As for not being able to jump as well. Have you even played the games? Lara is ridiculously super human in her movements and strength. It's a game. It doesn't reflect what a normal human can do. She can move stone blocks that would weigh tons if they were real. Jump around like Yoda with ADHD while simultaneously always hitting a moving target with two handguns while not looking.

Games would be boring if they were realistic. In fact Lara would be dead if it was even remotely realistic.

She looks somewhat normal though. Even if you think she's a sex toy because she has big breasts (something I find very sexist of you).

@Saketume @Smokescreened84 Someone can be 'better than the average human' without being some kind of sex fantasy design.

If a woman's body frame in real life is able to support a large bust size, then the back pains and general weight issues aren't as bad, although more often than not women who do have large breasts with a body frame that doesn't support the weight very well tend to op for a reduction.

In video games though the sizes tend to be even beyond what real women might have if they have large breasts and end up looking like the woman from Roger Rabbit.

Men don't realise how heavy breasts are, especially large ones. They're a lot heavier than they look, if Lara was done even more realistically while still having the older breast design, she wouldn't manage a jump very well without falling fast or being in too much pain without extremely good support.

That woman in the picture has gone for a breast reduction I believe since the pain and weight was throwing her game off.

@Smokescreened84

I agree but yet you wanted her to look more "everyday".

Some women irl actually are slim and have big breasts and I don't remember Lara being treated like a pair of breasts on legs in the games.

That was the community. If you think that will stop now that they've changed her looks you're mistaken.

You must also not forget that these protagonists we play in games are supposed to be better than the average humans. Smarter, more skilled, stronger and better looking. I don't understand why you want them to be "average". Maybe you want a more realistic game?

 It would be boring if it was just like real life though.

These heroes are supposed to represent something better than ourselves. You may not like that they exaggerate idealistic features but I don't think they should strive for an "average" look.

Again though I think the new Lara looks nice. Her breasts look fine too.

But I still understand why fans get upset when they change the looks of their favourite characters.

And again There are women out there who are slim and have big breasts. It's natural.

http://i.imgur.com/FpjfWC1.jpg

@Ink129 @Saketume I love the new look for her, she looks so natural instead of some sex fantasy.