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22Dec 12

So by now we all know of the horrible things that happened in CT. Some nutjob walked into an elementary school and killed 26 people, 20 of which were kids. And as with every mass shooting tragedy everyone is looking for someone to blame. We don't know why possessed this kid to go shoot innocent children and we may never know.

So as usual the mass media starts trying to find answers.

The first and most obvious is the gun laws. The idea that this guy wouldn't have done is evil acts if his mother hadn't kept 6 assault rifles in her house and this has been an issue in the US for a long time. And here's how I feel. I don't like guns and I don't understand why anyone needs an assault rifile. If you're a hunter, hunting rifles wouldn't be banned. Yes people can make weapons out of anything and if that is the case then why does anyone need an assault rifile and yes I am aware that making them illegal would not stop criminals from carrying them.

Some have called for armed policemen to stand outside schools which is nice, but local governments aren't going to invest the money into that. Plus the argument goes that no one was calling for armed police outside that movie theater where that other nutjob shot up a screening of Batman.

And the question of mental illness. The shooter as with a lot of folks who do things like this, was messed up. He had Aspergers which is a form of autism where you are very smart and can function but have trouble with social skills and supposedly the shooter had major social anxiety and was eventually taken out of public school and home schooled. And I do think that if you have a mentally ill person in your home, giving them easy access to guns isn't the best idea. But the backstory behind the shooter's home life seems to be all over the place. First you hear his mother never left him alone but then you hear she would go out of town on weekend getaways and leave him alone and the list goes on.

But now that President Obama was reelected and given that pot and gay marriage are getting legalized in states, it's only a matter of time before the evil black man takes their precious guns away. So what does the NRA do? "it's not the guns that killed the children, it was violent video games!!" Really NRA? You're going to scapegoat video games? We all know you're only doing this as a pathetic attempt to convince everyone that banning assault weapons shouldn't happen. Never mind that the Supreme Court ruled against banning sales of violent games because games were allowed the same 1st Amendment protection as music, TV and movies.

But that's what that all comes down, the NRA is scapegoating video games so that their assault weapons don't get taken away. And yes pro-gun supporters I know that if someone wants to kill another person they can make a bomb, stab them with a knife, etc. But no one ever killed another with a game disc.

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weekendrockstar
weekendrockstar

In any tragedy people need some kind of scapegoat.  It's REALLY hard for people to look into ALL of the reasons why someone did something horrible.  It's far easier to say..it's guns!  No guns for anyone! But then those that have/want guns say "No, it's not guns...it's video games.".

 

Now, we have an amendment guaranteeing the right to 'bear arms' if they want. Of course this was in response to the fact that early on in the Revolutionary war militias were very important. And they were civilians who armed themselves to fight for what they felt was right.  Now the problem with any one person having guns...the fact that they exist...is that someone who wants one and shouldn't have one can get one. They may not be able to legally purchase one but they can steal one.  And certainly those that do own them should be responsible with/for them. Even if you lock them up and keep the key on you..someone can smash the glass if they feel so inclined.

 

A lot of companies make money off of selling firearms.  They have their own association! So they'll point the blame elsewhere.  If you were to look into every person who committed any kind of horrible act since video games were actually a thing...most likely at least 80% of them will have played games.  But how many millions of people worldwide play video games (even the most violent games) and do not commit any crimes.

 

The problem is that when you try to figure out why a person committed such an act you'd probably find some mental disturbance which may have been genetic or at least there from birth...and a whole slew of factors and things that happened to them to make them feel that killing others is the right course of action.  But after a tragedy people want to know how to keep it from every happening again.  So they'll point to single thing such as video games, guns, other forms of media, the internet or whatever the buzzword is at the time (bath salts).

 

The big problem is that it's RARELY ever ONE single thing that leads to someone taking such actions. You can ban video games but it won't change anything because it isn't the root of a problem. You can put a strict lockdown on gun use but they'll either still get guns or they'll use something else.

 

These are sick and twisted people with equally sick and twisted ambitions and while some people may feel that they can sleep better if one drastic step is taken to keep it from happening.... the fact remains that no single solution will keep such things from happening.  Last I checked people have been murdering other people for thousands of years (Look! It's even in the Bible) before video games...before gunpowder.  I'm pretty sure that Neanderthals use to murder each other with clubs.

alexside1
alexside1

The fact that her son stole the guns, which can easily prevented if were locked up in a place that is difficult to break in. With great power comes with great responsibility. We need a emphasis on gun responsibility, not insane laws like drm hurts nothing but law abiding citizens.

CaesarIIII
CaesarIIII

Lets see it this way then ; The mother of that mad guy, kills her son because she things that hes evil. By doing that she stops the death of lots of kids and school teachers, but she ends up in prison for life, and market as a bad parent. In the other hand, she does nothing and ends dead her self, also kids and school teachers end up dead to.

 

Can you see the dilemma  ?

 

That family need it help from the government, specially the mother. But no body deed anything, and a lot of innocent people ended up dead.

 

Is not games, movies, the internet or guns that kills people. The system kills people. Laws isn't going stop a kid with mental problem from picking a gun and killing. HELP will do.

 

Darth_Ultima
Darth_Ultima

 @CaesarIIII You seem to be commenting on these a lot and your comments seem all over the board.

Ecthelion22
Ecthelion22 like.author.displayName 1 Like

People have been killing each other for centuries..For how long have video games been around?

g1rldraco7
g1rldraco7

Banning and making more stupid laws is only going to start chaos all because gun lovers don't want to lock them up somewhere or remove them from their homes. The madness needs to stop!!

TheBlarghMan
TheBlarghMan like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Let's ban violent movies, while we're at it. Sorry, Saving Private Ryan, you've got to go.

 

We need to quit trying to make laws to solve every problem and focus on the actual family unit and the people who are committing these acts. If some parent is letting their kid play extremely violent video games with no censoring, it's fairly easy to tell where the problem lies.

foxrock66
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First, I'm very much a supporter of gun ownership, though I myself dont own one. That said, you are absolutely on point. I have no love for the NRA, they are entirely in the wrong here, and its far from the first time they've been so

nate1222
nate1222

I'm for gun ownership for defense and hunting. But full auto? Hell no. It's impractical as shit. With full auto, during a life or death altercation, you'll hit your assailant...and about two or three innocent bystanders in the process.

 

And you make a point I've brought up repeatedly on this: Why the Hell was this guy's mother teaching a known mental patient how to shoot and allowing him access to firearms? I have yet to hear major media folks even bring that up.

 

The NRA bozo scapegoating violent video game? F___'em. We sure as Hell don't need lectures on "corruption" nor "immorality" from an organization endorsed by the the KKK: http://www.knightriderskkkk.com/

Darth_Ultima
Darth_Ultima

 @nate1222 Fully automatic weapons are illegal unless you have a class 3 permit from the ATF.

bmart970
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The solution is in no way new laws. Laws will take away responsible, law abiding citizen's rights. The solution is to meet crime with a greater force. If needed, armed police should be put at schools or the teachers should carry guns. My point is, we can't control criminals with guns because criminals don't follow the law.

nate1222
nate1222

 @bmart970

 "...Laws will take away responsible, law abiding citizen's rights..."

 

As all to often happens.

bmart970
bmart970

And if someone can is so impressionable that a video game could change how they live, they shouldn't play them. Video games aren't the problem.

almagester
almagester

"[. . .] the Supreme Court ruled against banning sales of violent games because games were allowed the same 1st Amendment protection as music, TV and movies."

 

I've never heard of this before. Can you cite this?

 

I would also like to suggest that there could be a disconnection between gun-control and gun-crimes. Certainly they often correlate, but I'm not convinced there's is any causation. According to multiple sources, the USA does have the highest rate gun ownership amongst its citizens, but the third highest (Wikipedia says 4th) is Switzerland, followed by Sweden, Norway, France and Canada in places 10, 11, 12 and 13, respectively. I don't know the specifics about other country's gun laws, but perhaps it is more difficult for a mentally disturbed person to obtain a firearm outside the US, in which case certain aspecs of US gun law need revision. That said, however, I think it would be a wrong course of action to ban hand-guns and assault rifles outright.

 

I am a pacifist, so I don't feel a need to ever own a gun myself, but guns are pretty important to a lot of people I know, in the same way comic books are important to comic book collectors, or Magic cards are to me. So if any type of gun were to be outlawed, imagine the resources required to collect banned firearms; imagine the lashback! No, right or wrong, banning guns is unrealistic; there is another solution.

 

Mass shootings often have two ingredients: mentally unstable people and guns. Perhaps severing the connection between the two would be a great step in the right direction; I'm all for that, but there is an even greater, and maybe even nobler, course of action: prevent the environments that produce mentally unstable people. It's certainly no small undertaking either, and if I had more time I would illustrate, more thoroughly, what I intend and why, but I must leave for work. Peace.

Darth_Ultima
Darth_Ultima

 @almagester The Supreme Court ruled that games were protected by the first amendment last year.

bluefox755
bluefox755

Blame anyone, just not the parents!

CaesarIIII
CaesarIIII

 @bluefox755 

You most be joking. Parents gets blame for everything. Been a parent in the hardest job in the world, no matter what you do and how hard you try, every thing you do is wrong.

kbaily
kbaily like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @CaesarIIII  @bluefox755

 There are a lot of good parents out there who monitor what their kids do, actually read game ratings (seriously if there's something about game ratings they don't understand they can look it up online) but sadly there's a lot of lazy parents who don't take care of their kids, let them do whatever and that's what the media focuses on and there are those that feel that government needs to make laws to make up for the bad parents.

FedCom
FedCom

 @CaesarIIII  @kbaily  @bluefox755 

Oh no, we decided legally that it's better to have the undisciplined kid act out upon unrelated innocent people. It's just better that way. You know because the kid doesn't end up abused.

 

Really is sad though. Things seem to be trying to remove any responsibility from parents to mentor their kids and in some cases some mentoring could go a long way.

CaesarIIII
CaesarIIII like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @kbaily  @bluefox755 

I can see what you saying, but is more about education. Stop making laws that makes the parents job harder, and educated the *Bad* parents to became better ones.

 

Is a sad day when you have parents scare of disciplining their kids, because they may end up in prison.... don't you think ?

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CaesarIIII
CaesarIIII

 @Rudorlf  @CaesarIIII  @bluefox755 

Is only a small minority, but what very annoys me is when people says *Parents* and not * Some Parents* . You know how hard is for parents to educate their kids, when you are not allow to do anything, because the government *assumes* that all parents abuse their kids ?

Comments like Bluefox, only makes the parents job harder than it should be.  

widdowson91
widdowson91 like.author.displayName 1 Like

You know what's to blame when it comes to gun crimes? America's slacking gun laws. In Britain incidents such as Dunblane (which was a school shooting) opened out eyes. America needs to open its eyes. I hope Obama does something about it.

CaesarIIII
CaesarIIII

 @widdowson91 

That is a brilliant point mate. Gun related crimes in the UK are practicably zero, and is not only in the UK, it is the same in the majority of the EU.

Rocco1337
Rocco1337

Violent video games exist all over the world. This kind of gun violence in schools and theaters takes place only in the USA and nowhere else. USA is probably the only country in the world where a 19 year old can walk into a store and buy an assault rifle. That is not the only factor of course, but it is a decisive one.

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kbaily
kbaily like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Rudorlf

 I don't if you knew about this but in the 1950s people tried blaming comic books on being a bad influence on kids and for a while there were really strict restrictions on what was allowed in comics anything from showing graphic violence to something as simple as showing a werewolf and it really has come around again.  Video games which are popular with a younger audience are seen by older folks as weird and new and they don't understand it so now they get the blame.

towny_
towny_ like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

If it's the shooters fault rather than the gun laws fault, isn't it the gamers fault rather than the games?

 

Food for thought.

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